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they won't care about neurodiversity unless it means auties and aspies aren't burdening the government anymore with support needs and financial assistance.
they're making out autists are such burdens to society,and costing everyone too much money,what about every other group that needs financial assistance/support?
the governments really do only care about funding rather than people,am know a few council staff who have preached that to am.

... Come on.
Actually, I've been a supporter of Hillary Clinton except with a few issues I strongly disagreed with her. I'm a liberal and always will be a liberal because society is imperfect and thus change for the better will always be needed but this is ridiculous. Call autism a disease and you call everyone at NASA and all the most important scientists around diseased, you call change diseased (lol irony), you call all of the great geniuses diseased.

The only thing we autistics need is awareness that we exist and we're not mentally handicapped. I went through a severe depression that basically ruined my life because everyone thought, I thought that I was stupid, turned out much differently, eh?

I think a lot of the financial burden caused by autism is the ABA therapy. I'm not convinced that (a) we need as much as they recommend, (b) it doesn't torture the kid as much as it helps - or more or (c) that it needs to cost the ridiculous amount they charge in the first place.

But you're right. Funny thing is though, I don't think it needs to be such a financial burden. Promoting neurodiversity would eliminate a lot of that. I believe ABA (in many cases) simply turns autists and aspies into robots. The fundamental issue still exists. We're different, wired different. In high-functioning cases or in Asperger's, I don't see this as such a terrible thing, but the therapies seem just as aggressive. And we don't even know for sure if any therapy is the right one yet...

I think Hillary wants to sink her claws into autism because it is the "thing of the moment", and yet there is so little known. If she jumps on the bandwagon, she doesn't need concrete answers, she just needs to make a bunch of empty promises to try and spout off about how we "need to learn more". She's using it as a platform to make herself look good, nothing more. Frankly, she's using us, and it makes me sick.

Yes people are panicking over this "epidemic". I don't like Hillary Clinton anyway. It seemed at first glance what she was going for was nice but after re-reading it doesn't seem nice.

Am I taking a good intention negatively?

That's all what this concern is about, it's money. I like Ron Paul. He in my opinion is the only one worth voting for. Hillary's fake accent drives me nuts and I don't think we need another president that wins because they win people over socially. We need someone that will do their job and do it well.

We need people to watch over the people instead of watching the people.

I've seen quite a bit of this. For a lot of people, "autism" is essentially a synonym for "mental retardation". It's a pretty big misconception.

That's why I support letting those outside of the spectrum use boards for ASD - seeing us speak (eloquently, at that) would go a long way towards diffusing that impression.

Wonderful news, from our President elect.

The points that I got were, "There is a box?" No one told me. Now I think I have seen it, walls where NTs suddenly stop for no reason, and give me strange looks. That they have a "box" would explain it.

"We don't even know the best ways to treat it."

Well, to start with you admit it is not within your perceptual range, and what is being done is more harmful than doing nothing.

I have gained sudden insight, all treatment has been directed to dragging us back into the unmentioned box.

It comes under my theory, a general one. I call it, " The Theory of the Grand Fallicy." It is defined as, "All human thought is built on the solid foundation of what everyone knows to be true." This "Truth" is so well accepted it is never fact checked. It is of course wrong, hence everything built upon it is also wrong.

Wrong Planet is a fitting name for the people who do not share what everyone knows to be true.

We hold to a seperate truth, also covered by the theory. Our truth, and their truth, will never have the same meaning. We cannot see their box, they cannot see beyond it.

Taking "A", box people, and "B" non-box people, who should direct the funding for "B".

So far it has been, "The blind Center for the Visual Arts." The "A" Team.

Education has failed for obvious reasons. "B" people most likely have their own non-defined box.

Funding should go for the study of the "B" box, the perceptual range normal for "B" types.

This can only be done by "B's" Every group, except WP, is run by "A's".

2,000,000 in the US, $35,000,000,000. That is $17,500 a year each, and most of us use no services.

That is enough to fund our own University, Research Center, with employment, Medical, Dental, Retirement, a home for each, food, clothes, computers, video games, sun glasses, and ipods.

Surplus funds can be used to buy surounding Counties.

We do understand the perceptual limits of "A's", so as long as we conduct business in "B" speak, they will agree, for it is NT to agree with groups. They will never admit to not understanding, they are NT.

This is a market with natural boundries. It is by, for, and of "B's". The best of Science and Medicine, can be aquired cheaply. It is a Natural Monopoly.

Currently funding is going for important things, training mail carriers to deliver mail to the Autistic, The Coast Guard program of Autism on the high seas, Special Weapons and Tactics for Policeing Autism, and Faith Based prayer programs, that support FCC Grants to televangilists.

These funds could be redirected to the "You are an Aspie, deal with it!" program.

WP will soon reach 20,000, a ficticious number equal to 1% of aflicted Americans.

Like our great founder, Hans Aspurger, we too can promise the Herrrenvolk Wunderwaffen. It is a well known fact the Chinese do not have AS Assets, need I say more?

I would model it on the Psi Corp. Some things can only be dealt with by some people, who must make their own rules.

Okay, I'm writing-in "Inventor" for president.

Agreed. NT’s have no idea that there is neurodiversity in this world and the contributions to society that differently wired brains make. Yes, there are a lot of jerks in the world, but I would sense a majority of NTs would be so much more accepting, accommodating and understanding and make room for others to work with their strengths.

When I read WP posts I clearly see intelligence, opinions, humor. What I do not like is that so many people here have needlessly been treated poorly by people who don’t understand. Information goes a long way. People cannot make good decisions without information…

Wow, these are at opposite ends of the spectrum.

Yes. Unfortunately, I believe many of the people who will vote for her will vote for her simply because she's a woman; equality and all that nonsense (not that equality is nonsense, but when it interferes with things like politics (and other things) to the point that people don't consider the issues at hand, then it is nonsense; then it's not equality either). I don't really care about politics, but I sincerely hope she doesn't win this election.



Blah. I would never, never, never put a child through ABA. Never. (I don't think I can really repeat "never" enough times to convey my dislike of it.) It's not kind to them at all, it's not supportive, and quite frankly, I see far more potential for harm than any good whatsoever. You're training them that if they don't think exactly like you (you equaling the trainer/"normal" people) they get in trouble and they can't do/have/be things they like. I absolutely hate ABA.

I had the misfortune to sit through an autism convention held by a local autism "expert", who couldn't stop recommending ABA. Frankly, it sounds more like torture to me than anything else, and the comparison between the work involved to the "prize" they get is absurd. Eye contact for thirty seconds (something that can be so, so painful for people on the spectrum) equals five minutes watching TV? That's not worth the effort. And it's not about improving life for the child, it's about making them look more "normal" and to fit in better. There's no coping devices taught, there's no understanding or acceptance, it's be like me or you're in trouble. Honestly, if you need your child to be "normal" to care for him or her, you shouldn't have that child.

I didn't realize it was expensive to go with that (naturally, they mentioned price at the convention, but it was for a possible group home/vocational school type thing (the child didn't have to live there to go there), so I assumed that was the cost of living there; apparently not). I don't see why. God, I trained the dog in a similar fashion (except that I was nicer to the dog), and it didn't cost anything except treats, love, and attention. It's absurd.

Never, never, never.

The way I percieve some of the sentiment in this thread:

Sweep Autism as a debated subject back under the carpet; try our best to steep the general populace in as much ignorance of the issues as we can; and try to get back to some good old 1940s-era mental institutions to consign all these wayward aspies and autists to.

It's one thing to be cynical. With Hillary Clinton you might be excused for assuming the two go hand in hand. But, guess what, she (or her lobbyist, strategist or whoever, it really doesn't matter) actually bothered to make some effort.

Which is, oh, about 100% more than any other major political figure has bothered to of late.

I'm of the position that ignorance is not bliss, and I do not want things to return to the way they were before, even if it means, occasionally, we have to tolerate some well-meaning but perhaps wrong-headed and patronising support at times.

OMG! I wondered what the hell they were doing. I never put it together until Inventor pointed it out. There's a box! I hate it when they do that when you're trying to shop and they have the nerve to look at us because we're annoyed by it!




This whole cure autism thing just makes so much more sense in this light. We must make all people fit into the box. NTs in general are uncomfortable with things that are not in boxes or at least have the dignity to be box shaped.




These are fantastic thoughts! Where do I sign up? Or by virtue of us creating this infrastructure, do we just create a new box that eventually we will be forced out of?

Please, people, vote for Ron Paul! He's about the only hope there is...

So, where are they getting these numbers for how much autism allegedly costs society? Do they deduct from them the economic benefits of say, having the computer industry, which is largely dominated by autistics? Or the benefits we reap in various engineering fields thanks to autistics? Do they just take the cost of caring for an extreme LFA person and multiply that by the highest estimate of all ASDs, or do they take into account the fact that most autistics do NOT need or have the most expensive therapies?

YES!! ! Dr. Paul for President!

Autism is synonymous with mental retardation; Asperger's, no.

I see a lot of people with Asperger's/autism using professional help, the government here pays for most of it (taxpayers actually), it adds up; most people with autism need financial support (see: pension), those with Asperger's don't need it as much. 4-14% of those with an autism spectrum disorder go on to work and live independently; not a good statistic.

I really don't know why people feel that eye contact is needed, besides appearing "normal", it affects no one negatively but the individual who lacks eye contact when they're forced to do such. *Daniel shakes his head at people*

Aspie visual, we are something like Russian nesting dolls. Bubbles within bubbles, onions. While we share some things, same species, our perceptual range differs.

Each bubble has an upper and lower range of perception. Mainly we are compared to NTs, as they are common, but here, where we are compared to each other, I also see ranges of perception. We do not agree, but we do agree that WP is our world. We have common problems with NTs.

Some almost get it, borderline NT, some overlap of perception. Some are shut out of NT perception, but relate to Aspie. I scored a bit high on the test, where high means low. I can kind of understand how it is explained through NT Psychology, but that is based on NT=Right. I will never be right in the head.

Danielismyname has been my most trusted guide. I understand his words. It is the explanation that works for me, and when I came here he was classed as Autie, then reclassed as Aspie.

Not knowing any better, I enjoyed my life, When I discoverd WP and AS at the same time I was 60. I enjoyed life, held patents, wrote books, I have 10,000 and have read a lot more, I have a collection of hobbies, and make my living publishng, my own business. I was different, but saw that in a good way.

Discovery came from an AOL news clip. "Ten Medical Conditions that give Superpowers." It had a link to WP. Several hours of slack jawed shock later, I joined my first and only forum.

On my first post I mentioned how I had found WP, and that I was a winner! I was immediatly told that I could not say that, I could not be happy, think that my life had meaning, or like AS. It was a horrible and disabling condition, needing constant therpy, drugs for depression, and that I would have to struggle every day to fail at becoming human. So much for the geting to know you welcome post.

I stuck around. New hobby. I met others like myself, mature, sucessful, intelligent, they did not stay long. It seems that is not what some want heard about AS. I have been flamed a few times for being a maleocentric, maleoholic, from the maleocracy, and being happy. It gave me a good laugh, yea, I remember the 70's too. Making me happy took the fun out of it.

The thing I have been most flamed over was every time I say, I like AS. The worst comes when I write about the good side, how my sucess in life was because of applied AS. I never knew, I just was better at some things, machines, computers, reading the instruction manual. It worked for me.

I met others, we all got by just fine back then. Before AS, we were called skilled knowledge workers. Many went on to becoming business owners. I always had an odd assortment of friends. Mechanics, College Professors, Musicians, Painters, Writers, Actors, Tech and Research. I had no idea what we had in common. All were a bit intense and very into their work.

All and all, we were more sucessful than our peers. On WP I find a whole community like my friends in life. When I speak of how great and talented we are, how intelligent, such Classy Aspies, flames come from all sides. *Daniel shakes his head at people*

I lived it, we were the best. My closeness to Daniel's perceptual range was seen as being a deep thinker. When I walk into a computer room, and they did fill a room back then, I stood and stared blankly, running every path through my head, figuring where the problem had to be, then maybe a half hour later, going to one machine, removing the cover, cleaning out the jam, and the whole room ran again. I was well paid.

I was consulted by people who wanted an answer with some depth, the deep connections. I added something to the world. No one ever invited me to join a sports team. I was strange, weird, and when a machine broke, they sent someone to find me, I did not have a phone, just a coffee shop, go ask for the strange guy who fixes things, they all know me. We strange people had our own Internet.

Back to bubbles within bubbles. I do things that make money, it could get a lot larger, but strange me has been a limiting factor. You are all weird, I like that. We could do some stuff. I have done business consulting, big machine problem. People value my thinking. Were I to do the same, Daniel would be my consultant. He sees clearly to me. I have my problems dealing with groups, functioning with NTs, but found a way to provide service.

We each have a range, there are a lot of us, and we can work together. Each layer can reach above and below, and if all worked, we would have it all. I recall another early post of mine, "You are all perfectly good parts of something, I do not know what it is, but I know where the parts are."

I now have an idea what it is. Where we have an exclusive, and what the market is.

We can Aspie any thought to death. When we finish there is nothing left. We are a natural think tank. We write because NTs like to read our views. Our slightly higher perceptions bring them as high as they can reach. We are a good thing.

I am The President/Owner of the media machine. It is 100% Autistic. So far we have reached, "Autistic Artistic Street Gang." Soon the new Headquarters, more production, and marketing Autism. We are the product. What we have to sell is perception.

We have many skills and talents, and we are as blind as any in many ways, we can do anything, and *Daniel would say, but should you?* We have natural checks and balances.

I own the machines, am skilled at using them, and many here are more skilled. I have been selling, and sales grow. They are about to buy a building and more machines. I have a critical mass of replicants.

Now I need people. A lot of this can be done on the web. Some takes being there. I have a collection of products to market. I was set to expand two years ago when we lost New Orleans, so I am over ripe. We can have a hometown and an economy.

This is not a Group home, a Sheltered Workshop, it is developing the best of AS. Yes we can take the Group Home, Sheltered Workshop, money. We can be paid for building an Empire, and then become the Voice of Autism.

As President, let me assure you, I do not have the slightest idea what you are talking about, so just be reasonable and go do it your way. I do not care about methods, I want results!