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28 Nov 2007, 3:46 pm

Sometimes I really can't figure out the difference between good natured teasing and downright offensive. I don't know. I might be thinking it's one when it's actually the other.


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28 Nov 2007, 6:39 pm

VMSnith wrote:
This has come up in my life a lot too, and i'm much older than most of you!

My sense is, good-natured teasing is mock aggression Like when a friend play-slaps another, but it is only a gesture, there is no force used and the slap is to a non sensitive area - the shoulder or arm and not, say, the face. Superficially hurtful.

Good natured teasing is the same way. It is a mock insult to a non sensitive area. For example, let's say you are very proficient in tennis. One day you lose badly. A friend says, "are you sure you got strings in that racket? Man!"

Since you're very good at tennis, that isn't likely to hurt your feelings. The friend isn't trying to hurt you, just being playful.

Mean teasing - like a real slap to the face - is a serious insult to a sensitive area. Suppose you aren't very good in tennis at all due to a knee injury from a car accident. A 'friend' saying, "Too bad your mom's such a bad driver, you want me to just hand the ball to you?". is vicious.

It comes down to what a person's sensitive areas are; and the other person's perception of those areas. This is very tricky business - guessing what another person is touchy about. I have always found it best to avoid teasing. Teasing often erupts into real conflict.
Teasing also is commonly passive aggressive; the person wants to express some hostility and then retreat behind, "Just kidding! Lighten up."

Long story short, to divine if a given tease is mean or not, you can ask, "Is what they said ... real?" Often a blank stare will silence a mean-teaser.

That's a good explanation.

I've always been bad at teasing people. I usually avoid it, but sometimes to feel closer to somebody, I'll give it a go and end up confusing them or insulting them and having to backtrack...even with my best friends...

When other people do it to me, I laugh even if I don't think it's funny. I'm bad at telling whether or not it's malicious, and also I need to work on my confidence to be brave enough to tell someone when I don't appreciate their joking. I just don't want to seem like a bore or something, but I know I've got to stick up for myself.



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28 Nov 2007, 6:57 pm

My dad has always loved teasing so, for an Aspie, I'm well-used to it and reasonably competent at distinguishing it from meanness. VMSnith'sm explanation is pretty good. Another way of distinguishing friendly teasing from non-friendly is that it is natural for you to strike back without meaning to hurt the other person, and also if it's so over-the-top that it can't be taken seriously. for example:

Girlfriend: (hands over a small paper box) This is for you to keep your brain in.
Boyfriend: Yeah, yours would go right through the pores in the paper. (both laugh)

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Older sister: you terrify everyone.
Younger sister: Well, duh! Everyone says I'm your spitting image.

In both cases, they know each other well enough that they know perfectly well it's not seriously meant (for example, the couple in example 1 might both be intelligent, and the sisters might be attractive). It's a bit like a friendly contest to see who comes up with the best reply. It's a bit like playing chess - it's simulated combat, but you can play chess with a friend, even though you're trying to disembowel his king.


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28 Nov 2007, 7:10 pm

Incidentally, banter and teasing are often used to establish closeness - i.e. by doing banter you're implying that you know the person well enough to tease them and that it will go down well (doesn't always happen of course), and that it will not lead to something uncomfortable (again, NTs don't always get this right - a good example was a very much NT girl, hearing banter in which one guy was being teased with being told he probably slept with his own sister due to where he's from, and she added that her grandparents had committed incest, which silenced everyone. the point is that with the guy and his sister, nobody seriously thought they were committing incest and he knew it - whereas the girl was talking about something real). You don't have to get it right every time, just often enough.


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28 Nov 2007, 10:07 pm

I often can't tell the difference between the two.



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29 Nov 2007, 2:22 am

There is a fine line between teasing that is an expression of friendship and teasing that is masked hostility. And in my case I have a tendency to take things literally and may find it difficult to be able to discern the difference.


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07 Mar 2011, 7:28 am

The few friends that I have tease me nicely. They often jokes about how hyper I am, and they tell me that I look like I kid (I am 40, but people think I am 25). They also tell me that I seem to be sleepy from time to time.



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07 Mar 2011, 7:45 am

I can usually recognize the difference, though I'm still not that great at taking criticism. Learning to share art online has helped me become a little less sensitive about everything, but I'm still quite susceptible to it. I also have difficulty judging how far I can go when giving critique or when joking with someone. I've offended people this way when my remarks were intended as a joke.

That said, playful banter CAN be done well. My (Aspie) friend and I used to joke about how, if anyone overheard our conversations in a different language, they'd think we hate each other. :lol:


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07 Mar 2011, 8:02 am

There is a difference between what friends, real friends, will do just as friendly stuff, and what is decidedly hostile. A friend for instance might say after I just not only corrected him on what was the director in that movie but also the main actor, main actress and mentioned they then made 4 other pictures together and which ones, "So, who was the cinematographer rainman?" I would reply with something made up (because I never remember stuff like that) like "Greg Schutzer, definitely, definitely Greg Schutzer definitely" while rocking back and forth slightly and shaking my head, then breaking the act to laugh with them. In this context it's good-natured friendly ribbing, same way I might say "Oh you dirty dirty little slut, let me get a beer in you so I can have my wicked way with you" after he tells me about his sexcapades last weekend and he might reply "I'm just not that kind of girl, you better buy me dinner. Or get me a Bacardi breezer and I'm all yours." and then we laugh about that. The fact that we both play along with what's said and then laugh it off is what minimizes the insult, and we expect one another to do that as friends because a friend wouldn't really mean you were a slut. Not a real friend.

The point being, he has permission to tease me because of familiarity. Because if a stranger were to say "What's your problem you mental freak, shouldn't you be locked up somewhere?" to me he'd stick up for me or rather by me since I'd blow up over someone saying something like that and tear them a new one. Similarly if someone were to make an anti-gay slur against him I'd have no problem telling the person who said that about him to shove it up ... yeah I'm not gonna say here what I would say but it would be impolite. Also if someone made a rainman comment against me who wasn't one of my friends but some random stranger - that's not friendly ribbing. I'd take offense at that because it's not the kind of thing you say to people you don't know, because when you say that to someone you don't know it's implied that it's insulting because you have no history with that person to tell you or them it's not meant in a bad way.

But the point is, we would defend one another, so there's a certain amount of implied trust between us that any teasing we might do to one another is playful rather than malicious. If I ever thought I'd stepped a line (and a real friend would tell you if you just did) I'd apologize immediately, and it's expected that they'd do the same for me.



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07 Mar 2011, 8:29 am

zghost wrote:
I can rarely tell the difference, so I hate all teasing.


Me to. I think its all mean. How can laughing at somoens mistakes or differences be 'good natured'??


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07 Mar 2011, 8:43 am

I never make fun of others, because I can't tell the difference between the two types of teasing. I will however make fun of myself on occasion and that can make people more comfortable.



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07 Mar 2011, 9:32 am

Jacs wrote:
zghost wrote:
I can rarely tell the difference, so I hate all teasing.


Me to. I think its all mean. How can laughing at somoens mistakes or differences be 'good natured'??

It's understandable. Bullies love to say "I was just kidding, what can't you take a joke?" to try to make it sound like they didn't mean to hurt your feelings when they really did. They sure did it enough times with me. When done right it's a way for people to acknowledge one another's differences without any accusatory over or undertones. And this shows them you're not threatened by the fact that they noticed, you know you're maybe a bit like that (but usually it's exaggerated a great deal in the insult, like how my friends don't really think I'm like rainman) but it's OK enough with both of you you're comfortable enough to laugh about it. So it puts them at ease and when you can turn it around on them, that's intended to also put you at ease.

But yeah, it's difficult. Especially when I think most of us are far more used to people saying stuff like that to be mean. It takes a lot of practice to learn to tell the difference, and even NTs aren't always good at telling the difference. Usually though someone who says "I was just kidding. Can't you take a joke?" rather than saying "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend you" once they see you're hurt by it.. Well, the former is almost always intended cruelly in my experience while the later probably wasn't. Someone who can't or won't say they're sorry once they know you took it seriously usually isn't someone who was genuinely playing around.



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07 Mar 2011, 9:59 am

Like all stereotypes have some degree of truth, all teasing has some degree of malicious intent – in my opinion.


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07 Mar 2011, 10:06 am

I think you have to be pretty close to someone for it to be good-natured. I know that I get very irritated when people I barely know say things to me like, "Shhh! You're too loud!" because I don't talk. To me, that's the equivalent of saying to someone in a wheelchair, "Sit down! Take a load off!" :?

I've attempted good-natured teasing before, and it didn't turn out well, so I avoid it at all times.



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07 Mar 2011, 12:00 pm

KBerg wrote:
Jacs wrote:
zghost wrote:
I can rarely tell the difference, so I hate all teasing.


Someone who can't or won't say they're sorry once they know you took it seriously usually isn't someone who was genuinely playing around.


Thanks, that makes alot of sense, I will remember that. I usually get very upset when someone teases me but its not always easy to tell people what they said hurt you. I will try to do so in future thou, thanks.


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07 Mar 2011, 3:17 pm

My friends and I take part in that type of teasing, all the time. It's fun. :lol:


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