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30 Nov 2007, 3:55 am
Sorry, just to point out... there is still thimerosal in vaccines. Bush vetoed its removal earlier this year. It's also still in most stockpiles, and used in most new vaccines too - you can ask to see the ingredients list next time you go for a jab and have a look. 
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30 Nov 2007, 3:59 am
Perhaps, but perhaps not. My father has AS, and I'm pretty certain my grandfather (his father) does as well. That would make both my brother and I predisposed to having it, and as the male, I think he's probably a little more predisposed to having it (being there are statistically far more males than females with it). We both had the shots; I have AS, he doesn't. I was a sickly enough kid before that age, I guess, but it was almost all ear infections, nothing too serious. On the other hand, he was even more sickly; hospitalized and all.
I'm pretty sure my father didn't get the MMR shot; I vaguely remember being told that he managed to get mumps because of the lack of vaccination. I suppose it's possible he got it later, but he definitely displayed traits before then and after. I don't think my grandfather would have had it either; the family wasn't real big on that sort of stuff.
I don't think that the nurse being distant is really that important. It's possible that she recognized that there would be no changing your mother's mind, or perhaps she was tired that day or something. I've had odd nurses with shots before; it had nothing to do with the shots, just the nurses themselves. *shrug* I had one nurse tell me that anyone would didn't visibly react to the shot (flinch, shake, ect) was either under the age of five and therefore unable to tell the shot was coming, or "just crazy". I didn't react to the shot at all, just sat there and watched her with a bit of interest; I was 16 at the time. I wasn't crazy (well, maybe), I just wasn't sensitive to needles.
As some others have mentioned, any of the trio of diseases can be quite serious. It's better to live than to risk having some symptoms increased. And if you're all ready autistic, I don't think it's really going to affect you more; you've had the shot once all ready.
That's fair enough, and I agree - as I said, AS is in my family pretty strongly (cousins, my grandfather - though undiagnosed - and I'm sure of my brothers) and some of them wouldn't have had the MMR jab. I just think for some people who wouldn't have developed AS or autism it can be the tipping point that pushes them over. Not all people of course, and not all autistics/AS get the jab anyway.
I just don't believe in vaccines full stop - I don't necessarily believe in the MMR/Autism thing, but I do think that there are far too many parents reporting the same thing for there not to be at least something in it.
I've had both mumps AND rubella by the way, despite MMR and all the boosters.
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12 Jan 2008, 8:38 pm
Well if you don't get immunized for mumps, say... get married, contract the disease and pass it to your husband, he can be rendered sterile.... if you don't get immunized for rubella, get pregnant and contract the disease there can be birth defects.... and yes, people do die from measles. As they found out in the UK over th past couple of years.... because of the people who refused to immnunize their kids and provided a vector for the virus to be transmitted. 
12 Jan 2008, 8:55 pm
NO.
FOR THE LAST BLOODY TIME, NO.
Not to mention, the MMR vax has NEVER contained thimerosal. Not even a trace amount.
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12 Jan 2008, 9:04 pm
12 Jan 2008, 9:11 pm
It's used in flu vaccines. Per the recent California study into autism rates and vaccination, it was removed from all childhood vaccines OTHER than influenza about 4 years ago. Rates of autism continued to rise at an increasing rate. Possibly it's caused by holistic or homeopathic remedies tried by the parents both pre- and postnatal.... Makes as much sense as most of the stuff I've seen spouted... uh I mean "touted" lately...
12 Jan 2008, 9:16 pm
Not only is Thimerosal not banned but, get this, the CDC (center for disease control in the US) is now RECOMMENDING NEW THIMEROSAL VACCINES TO REPLACE THE BANNED VACCINES!
For the first time, the CDC is now recommending that 6-24 month old children get flu shots which still contain Thimerosal (50% mercury and they support keeping mercury in flu shots).
I wonder why the US government is so intent on injecting mercury into 6-24 month old babies. It will make it difficult to determine whether autism decreases after Thimerosal is removed because children will be getting Thimerosal from the newly recommended vaccines.
Oct 1, 2004 (CIDRAP News) – Pregnant women and children younger than 3 in California will soon no longer receive vaccines containing more than a trace of mercury, under a law approved this week.
Vaccines for those groups will contain no more than a trace of thimerosal (termed thimerosal-free in the industry)—a preservative in some vaccines that contains ethyl mercury. The law takes effect in July 2006, according to news services...
But this year, in recommending for the first time that 6- to 23-month-old children routinely get flu shots, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in May did not go on record in favor of a thimerosal-free formulation of the vaccine.
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/conten ... uvacc.html
12 Jan 2008, 9:20 pm
That CA study at http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt53320.html is a joke. It looks like it was deliberately created to convince us there isn't a link between thimerosal and autism.
12 Jan 2008, 9:21 pm
12 Jan 2008, 9:21 pm
The quoted article you posted is from 2004. It's 2008. Check the calender....
12 Jan 2008, 9:25 pm
