NeantHumain wrote:
PaulB wrote:
It really doesn't matter what definition you use for giftedness to say that not all people with Asperger's are gifted. With Asperger's having a lower limit on IQ of 70, there are many out there who are good at nothing, and yet still have Asperger's.
Actually, I think the lower limit for Asperger's syndrome is usually set at 85. The lower limit for high-functioning autism is set at 70. To be a high-functioning autistic individual, one only has to have an IQ above the mentally ret*d range. To have Asperger's syndrome, one must have normal to superior intelligence—no cognitive delays.PaulB wrote:
I was brought up in a time when being gifted meant that you were good at a wide range of things. In this day that definition has been watered down quite a bit. I do not consider myself gifted, even though I know that I am. The reason for this is that in the real world, giftedness does not mean a thing. It means prestige while in school, and maybe an advantage at being able to get a good job, but other than that there are a host of factors that determine a person's success, and unfortunately social skill is a big one of those. I know people who are dumb as a rock who get PhD's.
Whenever I hear someone say "I'm gifted" on this board, I always think the same thing: "You're a kid, you'll learn."
I made the same mistake with my intelligence. I reasoned that, since I learn things so quickly, this would apply in the social domain too. I was wrong. Although I made some strides socially in my first two years in college, I didn't progress nearly as much as I would have liked. I like to use an analogy for this: I really don't like mathematics; but, if I really want, I can keep working on a calculus problem until I find the solution. Socially, perseveration just makes you seem weird and makes people actively dislike you.
This surprises me NH (no, not so much the fact, as you know full well, that the DSM specifies the lower limit as 80, but that your understanding seems otherwise to have progressed) being so positive?
As for giftedness; a guy who can expertly wield a plough should rightly be considered "gifted"; apart from being needed, it's also a difficult skill to acquire!
If you think chopping logs is easy, then try it some time; and then enter, maybe a Canadian log rolling contest?