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23 Aug 2005, 6:55 pm

You have definately got more of the charectaristics than me NeantHumain and im pretty sure im at the light end of asperger's syndrome (though some of the things describes asperger's well).

The way i thought gifted meant these days is doing something exceptionally good or are very good at a wide range of things. If you are either i am happy for you (and jealous) but alas i am neither of the two and though i really stand out in some ways i am pretty useless in most ways that would be of much use to me.



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23 Aug 2005, 7:05 pm

The point that I was trying to make is that contrary to popular belief, AS != giftedness. If you happen to be a person who is gifted, then good for you. Just don't gloat over the fact.


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23 Aug 2005, 9:42 pm

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24 Aug 2005, 11:07 pm

Can we please define how we are using 'gifted' since the term leaves much to be interpretted?

Are we referring to someone with a single ability above the norm (in any area), or a jack of all trades, something savantyish, or all of the above? Which?


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25 Aug 2005, 8:29 am

It really doesn't matter what definition you use for giftedness to say that not all people with Asperger's are gifted. With Asperger's having a lower limit on IQ of 70, there are many out there who are good at nothing, and yet still have Asperger's.

I was brought up in a time when being gifted meant that you were good at a wide range of things. In this day that definition has been watered down quite a bit. I do not consider myself gifted, even though I know that I am. The reason for this is that in the real world, giftedness does not mean a thing. It means prestige while in school, and maybe an advantage at being able to get a good job, but other than that there are a host of factors that determine a person's success, and unfortunately social skill is a big one of those. I know people who are dumb as a rock who get PhD's.

Whenever I hear someone say "I'm gifted" on this board, I always think the same thing: "You're a kid, you'll learn."


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25 Aug 2005, 2:41 pm

Sophist wrote:
Can we please define how we are using 'gifted' since the term leaves much to be interpretted?

Are we referring to someone with a single ability above the norm (in any area), or a jack of all trades, something savantyish, or all of the above? Which?

As far as I know, gifties of all types display some of the personality characteristics previously mentioned. Also, some people with high IQs are not necessarily gifted in this sense. People who are only gifted in certain areas display the overexcitabilities, intense emotions, high energy level, creativity, etc. just like people who are gifted in general.



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25 Aug 2005, 2:50 pm

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It really doesn't matter what definition you use for giftedness to say that not all people with Asperger's are gifted. With Asperger's having a lower limit on IQ of 70, there are many out there who are good at nothing, and yet still have Asperger's.

Actually, I think the lower limit for Asperger's syndrome is usually set at 85. The lower limit for high-functioning autism is set at 70. To be a high-functioning autistic individual, one only has to have an IQ above the mentally ret*d range. To have Asperger's syndrome, one must have normal to superior intelligence—no cognitive delays.
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I was brought up in a time when being gifted meant that you were good at a wide range of things. In this day that definition has been watered down quite a bit. I do not consider myself gifted, even though I know that I am. The reason for this is that in the real world, giftedness does not mean a thing. It means prestige while in school, and maybe an advantage at being able to get a good job, but other than that there are a host of factors that determine a person's success, and unfortunately social skill is a big one of those. I know people who are dumb as a rock who get PhD's.

Whenever I hear someone say "I'm gifted" on this board, I always think the same thing: "You're a kid, you'll learn."

I made the same mistake with my intelligence. I reasoned that, since I learn things so quickly, this would apply in the social domain too. I was wrong. Although I made some strides socially in my first two years in college, I didn't progress nearly as much as I would have liked. I like to use an analogy for this: I really don't like mathematics; but, if I really want, I can keep working on a calculus problem until I find the solution. Socially, perseveration just makes you seem weird and makes people actively dislike you.



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26 Aug 2005, 3:24 pm

I'll likely have trouble getting a job... but I'll still be gifted!! ;) :lol:


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27 Aug 2005, 12:04 am

I'm with PaulB, at the end of the day it doesn't matter what you are.


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27 Aug 2005, 7:24 am

I have all the attributes listed for gifted adult and had nearly all of the ones for the gifted child. Unfortunately, it is all combined with low self-esteem because in Australia, we have this thing called "tall poppy syndrome" ie. people who stand out in some way, except maybe in sports are actively disliked for standing out from the general mediocrity.

I refuse to be mediocre or just a mental clone. If that means being less popular well, oh dear how sad never mind.

That thing about abstract concepts like death is an interesting one as I continually pestered mum with questions about death when I was about five. It came after these two ladies who used to visit and fuss over me suddenly stopped visiting.

I asked "why". Mum said "they died, within a few weeks of one another - it was so sudden" So then I said "why - they didn't look sick". She said "sometimes people can get sick suddenly". I said "does that mean you will get sick suddenly and die?" and so on and so on.

Dad thought I was autistic earlier in life because I had an insatiable need to learn things and was forever asking questions and wanting to look at books. This kind of got knocked out of me at school, though.


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27 Aug 2005, 10:40 am

That big printout of gifted traits describes me very well. Fortunately, the "possible problems" side of that has been lessened for me now that I'm out of school and am working at a job that values my creative skills.



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27 Aug 2005, 5:54 pm

NeantHumain wrote:
PaulB wrote:
It really doesn't matter what definition you use for giftedness to say that not all people with Asperger's are gifted. With Asperger's having a lower limit on IQ of 70, there are many out there who are good at nothing, and yet still have Asperger's.

Actually, I think the lower limit for Asperger's syndrome is usually set at 85. The lower limit for high-functioning autism is set at 70. To be a high-functioning autistic individual, one only has to have an IQ above the mentally ret*d range. To have Asperger's syndrome, one must have normal to superior intelligence—no cognitive delays.
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I was brought up in a time when being gifted meant that you were good at a wide range of things. In this day that definition has been watered down quite a bit. I do not consider myself gifted, even though I know that I am. The reason for this is that in the real world, giftedness does not mean a thing. It means prestige while in school, and maybe an advantage at being able to get a good job, but other than that there are a host of factors that determine a person's success, and unfortunately social skill is a big one of those. I know people who are dumb as a rock who get PhD's.

Whenever I hear someone say "I'm gifted" on this board, I always think the same thing: "You're a kid, you'll learn."

I made the same mistake with my intelligence. I reasoned that, since I learn things so quickly, this would apply in the social domain too. I was wrong. Although I made some strides socially in my first two years in college, I didn't progress nearly as much as I would have liked. I like to use an analogy for this: I really don't like mathematics; but, if I really want, I can keep working on a calculus problem until I find the solution. Socially, perseveration just makes you seem weird and makes people actively dislike you.


This surprises me NH (no, not so much the fact, as you know full well, that the DSM specifies the lower limit as 80, but that your understanding seems otherwise to have progressed) being so positive?

As for giftedness; a guy who can expertly wield a plough should rightly be considered "gifted"; apart from being needed, it's also a difficult skill to acquire!

If you think chopping logs is easy, then try it some time; and then enter, maybe a Canadian log rolling contest?



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05 Sep 2005, 6:15 am

PaulB wrote:
With Asperger's having a lower limit on IQ of 70, there are many out there who are good at nothing, and yet still have Asperger's.


This is confusing. I've met a lot of people with IQs under 70 (or indeed under 40) who are good at various things (in fact I haven't yet met a person alive who isn't "good at something"). Donna Williams is good at all kinds of things by anyone's standards and her IQ is 68 or so.


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