Why do ppl base intelligence on IQ scores?

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08 Dec 2007, 4:12 pm

People all do dumb things because it is the only game in town.

Compare football to The Chess Club,

Honors Science is good, but to talk to girls you need to follow current music, movies.

So you can sit in your room alone, or go play herd games with the herd.

Herd games are based on the low end of normal, IQ 90, football.

Show me another world, with girls, and higher standards, I will be there.

Intelligent is kind of low on what girls are looking for.

An A+ student with C- students, and beer, they get smarter, better looking.

I was not out to debate her about a scientific topic, I wanted her naked.

If three beers and a joint do the deal? Even if it all works, we will still not be talking math.

IQ is a private way of seeing, the world is a public place with rules that cover all.

To fit in the world some people have to behave above their own standards, others below.

Women do not dress to show off their brain, they show the game they will play, play or pass.

People I could never be friends and equals with still make good drinking buddys.

Being a top student is a very small world, and it comes natural, dealing with the herd takes study.

When in Rome.



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08 Dec 2007, 6:34 pm

IQ tests were, indeed, as someone previosuly said, a tool meant to identify mental development in children, and thus, [theoretically]
help them, if they needed. Sadly, like most other human inventions that began with altruistic intentions (the guillotine, dynamite, air warfare, nuclear weaponry, etc), the IQ test has become yet another gauge with which to rub in others peoples faces, like some sort of institutional equivalent to reproductive organ contests ("mine is bigger than yours" comes to mind). Thus, you have some folks going around saying that "my IQ is bigger than yours" (or some interested proxy parties; ie, vicarious parents of some prodigy, the media, etc), with the same arrogance and glee, as a well-endowed men, or a well-endowed women (the cup-size issue, is really the female equivalent of the inches issue, imo). Thus, instead of improving human life by equalizing the playing filed, for the most part it has just become a way of deterring at best, destroying at worst, both the confidence of many an individual, and sowing further inequality.
As many things in the universe (such as motion), intelligence seems to be relative, subjective to one's ecological niche, as someone else commented on this topic. An example would be something that one can extraplolate from Inventors comment.
Studious kids may have high IQ's so as to be in Honors Science
(within the niche of academia), and can, theoritically, be considered alpha males. But these same guys with high IQ's are more often treated more like Omega males in situations outside of academia
(the niche of bars and contact sport culture), high IQ's, and everything.



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08 Dec 2007, 6:40 pm

IQ tests do work in the way they're meant to, but yeah, people can use them in the wrong way, like the whole men vs women thing :roll: ... But I personally, rate wisdom over intelligence. I'd rather have a friend that could tell me something useful, thoughtful, and helpful, than a friend who could work out 45345345 times 454353421 whilst making a new computer and conducting a scientific experiment... (though that would be kinda neat.... lol)


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08 Dec 2007, 6:53 pm

SamW wrote:
IQ tests do work in the way they're meant to, but yeah, people can use them in the wrong way, like the whole men vs women thing :roll: ... But I personally, rate wisdom over intelligence. I'd rather have a friend that could tell me something useful, thoughtful, and helpful, than a friend who could work out 45345345 times 454353421 whilst making a new computer and conducting a scientific experiment... (though that would be kinda neat.... lol)


what whole men vs women thing?


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08 Dec 2007, 6:57 pm

IQ means nothing to me, mines pretty high but i have nothing to show for it. Id rather have low IQ and be normal person.



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08 Dec 2007, 7:02 pm

SamW wrote:
IQ tests do work in the way they're meant to, but yeah, people can use them in the wrong way, like the whole men vs women thing :roll: ... But I personally, rate wisdom over intelligence. I'd rather have a friend that could tell me something useful, thoughtful, and helpful, than a friend who could work out 45345345 times 454353421 whilst making a new computer and conducting a scientific experiment... (though that would be kinda neat.... lol)


Yes, wisdom does seem to be relegated to living in the shadow of its brother intelligence. Again, humans have the technical knowledge to
build nuclear weapons, but will they have the wisdom not to use them on each other, again?
Actually, Data from the Star Trek franchise seems to have been able to do impart wisdom, and achieve astounding computational feats :D



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08 Dec 2007, 7:11 pm

I knew that IQ was an unreliable gauge for measuring the intellect of people from the very beginning. I know that there is more to intelligence that data processing. Wisdom is a major component, and, based on what I know of the "multiple intellect" theory, there are 7 major types that I know of, with sub-types in between and within a particular category. (Language, logico-mathematical, physico-kinetic, spatial, musical, graphical and social)

This is why I say that a girl with what I call an "extreme" mathematical ability (on par with my own or higher), is very skilled in math. Nothing more.

For friendship, I put all skills on an even playing field, I befriended almost all types of girls, as far as intellect types go. Here I go: I befriended two that are very talented graphical artists, three that are athletes (one of them is in the national gymnastics team), one that has an even level in physico-kinetic and musical fields, two that are very good in math and one that has an even level in graphical arts and languages. The hardest ones to detect are spatial and social abilities (at least for me).

There are days where I would prefer to enjoy what I have without the hassle of emotions... sometimes my own self-esteem will be low, but this cruel world seem only to care about results and nothing about the feelings of the people who achieve them.



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08 Dec 2007, 8:07 pm

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I'm not questioning the validity behind them; I'm questioning the actual meaning(As to why they measure a persons intelligence in the first place).

Binet initially developed IQ tests to identify elementary school students who might need extra help or instruction in order to catch up to the rest of the students their age. Later Terman used it as a justification for his racist ideologies and to promote a eugenicist agenda. Later IQ scores became something of a bragging right or a way to make certain people feel they belonged to some elite (i.e. MENSA).

I like Binet's meaning best, but it is unfortunately the least common motive behind IQ testing.


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08 Dec 2007, 8:09 pm

Frankly, that is one reason I often don't do the "me too" type posts when people broadcast IQs. Mine is up there though.

Ironically, it isn't REALLY a measure of intelligence, but rather a measure of intelligence relative to your age group.

Still, intelligence doesn't make you perfect! In fact, some STUPID things I have done, or decisions made, are apparently because of autistic failings. If a person forgets to carry a value in adding, or transposes numbers, or forgets something, is it a sign of stupidity? NOPE! Besides, a REALLY stupid person would do such things regularly and never catch on.

I don't drink much, and drink only to not look like a TOTAL outsider. I drink about one cup of coffee and one beer a year! I NEVER smoked "weed". I DON'T base all my decisions on things others have set before me. In fact, MORE base THEIR decisions on MINE! That is my job!! !! :lol:

OK, I am KIND of like Data, but I DON'T go everywhere!

OK, OTHERS think I am intelligent also! As for differences? Can you tell the REST of the world that? PLEASE?!?!?

You know.... You seem to be trying to say we are dumb slaves, that are no different, and while pointing to us, you have those other 3 fingers pointing at YOU!



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08 Dec 2007, 8:16 pm

I base intelligence on the amount of abbreviations used in someone's post (like LOL, ROFL, etc). Nonsensical ones like "LOLZ" or "PWN," are even more hurtful to your general intelligence measurement.

It hasn't failed me yet. :D



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08 Dec 2007, 8:29 pm

Only the stupid ones base intelligence on IQ scores. You should check out this book by Daniel Goleman called "Emotional Intelligence".


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08 Dec 2007, 8:32 pm

IQ tests only measure a subset of human abilities, or so I have read. In a sense, people who are on the autistic spectrum are "ret*d" in some things that are not measured in IQ tests.


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08 Dec 2007, 9:01 pm

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I posted this some months ago (more or less):So I think that this whole business of intelligence tests as it is presented in our "culture” of achievement in industrial societies should be assailed and demolished.


Amen! I might further add, that I hate the use of words such as Stupid vs Intelligent. Speaking only for myself, I might be highly intelligent in certain areas of learning, but be incredibly stupid, when it comes to avoiding attacks on my person, or being involved in some highly complex monetary scam, because I am so "stupid" when it comes to reading non verbal language and discerning intention. This is my reality of being an Aspie. :roll:


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08 Dec 2007, 9:03 pm

I have an IQ of 134 and can rightfully say I'm an idiot in most situations :D



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08 Dec 2007, 10:34 pm

2ukenkerl wrote:
Frankly, that is one reason I often don't do the "me too" type posts when people broadcast IQs. Mine is up there though.

Ironically, it isn't REALLY a measure of intelligence, but rather a measure of intelligence relative to your age group.

Still, intelligence doesn't make you perfect! In fact, some STUPID things I have done, or decisions made, are apparently because of autistic failings. If a person forgets to carry a value in adding, or transposes numbers, or forgets something, is it a sign of stupidity? NOPE! Besides, a REALLY stupid person would do such things regularly and never catch on.

I don't drink much, and drink only to not look like a TOTAL outsider. I drink about one cup of coffee and one beer a year! I NEVER smoked "weed". I DON'T base all my decisions on things others have set before me. In fact, MORE base THEIR decisions on MINE! That is my job!! !! :lol:

OK, I am KIND of like Data, but I DON'T go everywhere!

OK, OTHERS think I am intelligent also! As for differences? Can you tell the REST of the world that? PLEASE?!?!?

You know.... You seem to be trying to say we are dumb slaves, that are no different, and while pointing to us, you have those other 3 fingers pointing at YOU!


How exactly does doing better on an IQ test make you more intelligent that other people your age?
Why do so many people take IQ tests to see whether or not they score high in the first place?

Is that what so many people are after; to prove that they are better than their peers because they can score higher on a test result?

You seem to think of yourself as above average intelligence; and I'm not trying to argue with you over that.

If you want my honest opinion; I don't view other people as intelligent or stupid. Honestly, I think that everyone is about the same intelligence and some just try harder than others to make themselves appear more intelligent.

But then again; I think of other people the same way a farmer thinks of cattle and sheep.

And I don't point any fingers at me because I wouldn't be foolish enough to think that I am beyond my own rules. I don't think I am smarter than anyone else; I just don't conform with society in general; which makes me a rare person indeed.



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08 Dec 2007, 11:15 pm

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2ukenkerl wrote:
Frankly, that is one reason I often don't do the "me too" type posts when people broadcast IQs. Mine is up there though.

Ironically, it isn't REALLY a measure of intelligence, but rather a measure of intelligence relative to your age group.

Still, intelligence doesn't make you perfect! In fact, some STUPID things I have done, or decisions made, are apparently because of autistic failings. If a person forgets to carry a value in adding, or transposes numbers, or forgets something, is it a sign of stupidity? NOPE! Besides, a REALLY stupid person would do such things regularly and never catch on.

I don't drink much, and drink only to not look like a TOTAL outsider. I drink about one cup of coffee and one beer a year! I NEVER smoked "weed". I DON'T base all my decisions on things others have set before me. In fact, MORE base THEIR decisions on MINE! That is my job!! !! :lol:

OK, I am KIND of like Data, but I DON'T go everywhere!

OK, OTHERS think I am intelligent also! As for differences? Can you tell the REST of the world that? PLEASE?!?!?

You know.... You seem to be trying to say we are dumb slaves, that are no different, and while pointing to us, you have those other 3 fingers pointing at YOU!


How exactly does doing better on an IQ test make you more intelligent that other people your age?


It doesn't MAKE you better, but provides SOME indication if it is the case.

Brian003 wrote:
Why do so many people take IQ tests to see whether or not they score high in the first place?


I was just given ones, and took some for curiosity sake.

Brian003 wrote:
Is that what so many people are after; to prove that they are better than their peers because they can score higher on a test result?


NOPE!

Brian003 wrote:
You seem to think of yourself as above average intelligence; and I'm not trying to argue with you over that.


Well, That isn't saying much anyway. :cry:

Brian003 wrote:
If you want my honest opinion; I don't view other people as intelligent or stupid. Honestly, I think that everyone is about the same intelligence and some just try harder than others to make themselves appear more intelligent.


WOW! That's crazy! Frankly, I think most people have ROUGHLY the same capability to achieve a certain level, but some just try harder and do better than others. Almost like all the computers out there that can do so much, but a lot of them just don't have the software.

And NOPE, I don't presume to believe I am so much better! Some here visualize better than I do, speak other languages better than I do, remember better than I do, do math better than I do, etc... Heck, I don't do a lot of that as well as I used to! Still, compared to a lot of people I know.... Well, as I said, that assertion isn't saying much.

Brian003 wrote:
But then again; I think of other people the same way a farmer thinks of cattle and sheep.

And I don't point any fingers at me because I wouldn't be foolish enough to think that I am beyond my own rules. I don't think I am smarter than anyone else; I just don't conform with society in general; which makes me a rare person indeed.


WOW, so you think you are (ahem) SPECIAL!?!? :lol: :wink: