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18 Dec 2007, 1:17 pm

I'll second that with my sig below...


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18 Dec 2007, 4:32 pm

Some comments;

Bob Wright is an interesting case, because he absolutely blasted and disowned his daughter Katie (the mother of his grandson) when she went to the chelation option. With all this negativity aimed at Autism Speaks, it makes you wonder what his position actually is when it comes to the Spectrum.

I commented on the Slogan thread that Autism Speaks is pro genetics, but also pro eugenics.

Diva, someone called Ender actually claimed that Sam Best is CDD and not Autistic. Any thoughts on that?

Also - I think one will find that the 1 in 150 stat is a combination of the intro of the Aspergers DX and some corrections in DX from mental retardation and Special Learning Disability to the Spectrum. I think Diva found a stat that shifted all MR and SLD DX's nearly perfectly to explain the numbers. Of course - one could jump up and say "You can make statistics prove anything you like", but this one is pretty hard to refute!



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19 Dec 2007, 6:37 pm

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Do you have a link to that article?


I think you can read it on the Congressional Quarterly website if you have a subscription...


Thanks! I think my hub gets this publication, so I'll look into it. Merci.



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19 Dec 2007, 7:32 pm

TLPG wrote:
Some comments;

Bob Wright is an interesting case, because he absolutely blasted and disowned his daughter Katie (the mother of his grandson) when she went to the chelation option. With all this negativity aimed at Autism Speaks, it makes you wonder what his position actually is when it comes to the Spectrum.


I commented on the Slogan thread that Autism Speaks is pro genetics, but also pro eugenics.

Diva, someone called Ender actually claimed that Sam Best is CDD and not Autistic. Any thoughts on that?

Also - I think one will find that the 1 in 150 stat is a combination of the intro of the Aspergers DX and some corrections in DX from mental retardation and Special Learning Disability to the Spectrum. I think Diva found a stat that shifted all MR and SLD DX's nearly perfectly to explain the numbers. Of course - one could jump up and say "You can make statistics prove anything you like", but this one is pretty hard to refute!


I have never heard that Best's son has CDD. It would be unusual if he did. I mean if you go with the odds.... Also if Best is on the spectrum himself, then his child probably has autism of the more regular sort.


(edited to add: I don't think Bob Wright so much blasted his daughter as he distanced himself a tad from her more wacky ideas... that was the equivalent of trying to run her over with a SUV according to Katie Wright-Hildebrand's fans. (How dare her father not be totally supportive???) Bob and wife with the big cranium were there at the NAA quackfest a month or two ago in Atlanta, they didn't speak though, they were there to "support" their mercury-daughter.)

If you look at the IDEA data which is just administrative data which is not good "epidemiology" at all, but has been used as that over and over again by the malicia... You can see that the overal percentage of kids in "special ed" in schools leveled off like about 4 years ago (or looked like it was starting to level off, I should say).

The category "autism" is tiny compared to the category "mental retardation" Keep that in mind. And the category Specific Learning Disability is also massive compared to the tiny number of autistic students...

If you look at the data, which is available online in the more or less "raw" state but it's about 3 years old... you can see that exactly as autism goes up, MR and SLD go down. Also there was NO autism in the IDEA data collection until 1992. Before that autistic kids would have been put in another category... like... uhm... MR or SLD?

When changes are made administratively, on paper, it takes time for them to be implemented in schools, so you can see that the kids who should have been "autistic" all along began to be added to the "autism column" and it seems that kids were moved from the MR and SLD columns over to the autism column thus creating the illusion of an "epidemic".

There was an even greater "growth" in the "epidemic" of Traumatic Brain Injury at the time autism was "skyrocketing" TBI was skyrocketing even more dramatically... it also was not a counted category until 1992.

The whole "epidemic" is a scam.



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19 Dec 2007, 7:34 pm

littlebopeep wrote:
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Do you have a link to that article?


I think you can read it on the Congressional Quarterly website if you have a subscription...


Thanks! I think my hub gets this publication, so I'll look into it. Merci.


You have our own hub? :) it took me a few seconds to figure out you meant, "husband"... that is "husband" isn't it? :D



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19 Dec 2007, 8:08 pm

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There's nothing tragic about any of us.


Where would the world be without Aspies/Auties???

I was at a support group with Tony Attwood. He said, 'Look around this house. Most things in here have been invented by someone on the spectrum'.

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19 Dec 2007, 10:32 pm

autism_diva wrote:
TLPG wrote:
Some comments;

Bob Wright is an interesting case, because he absolutely blasted and disowned his daughter Katie (the mother of his grandson) when she went to the chelation option. With all this negativity aimed at Autism Speaks, it makes you wonder what his position actually is when it comes to the Spectrum.


I commented on the Slogan thread that Autism Speaks is pro genetics, but also pro eugenics.

Diva, someone called Ender actually claimed that Sam Best is CDD and not Autistic. Any thoughts on that?

Also - I think one will find that the 1 in 150 stat is a combination of the intro of the Aspergers DX and some corrections in DX from mental retardation and Special Learning Disability to the Spectrum. I think Diva found a stat that shifted all MR and SLD DX's nearly perfectly to explain the numbers. Of course - one could jump up and say "You can make statistics prove anything you like", but this one is pretty hard to refute!


[insert autism_diva's argument here]

The whole "epidemic" is a scam.

I agree, and this has been my reasoning since I first heard about this 'epidemic'.


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20 Dec 2007, 12:12 am

KBABZ wrote:
autism_diva wrote:
TLPG wrote:
Some comments;

Bob Wright is an interesting case, because he absolutely blasted and disowned his daughter Katie (the mother of his grandson) when she went to the chelation option. With all this negativity aimed at Autism Speaks, it makes you wonder what his position actually is when it comes to the Spectrum.


I commented on the Slogan thread that Autism Speaks is pro genetics, but also pro eugenics.

Diva, someone called Ender actually claimed that Sam Best is CDD and not Autistic. Any thoughts on that?

Also - I think one will find that the 1 in 150 stat is a combination of the intro of the Aspergers DX and some corrections in DX from mental retardation and Special Learning Disability to the Spectrum. I think Diva found a stat that shifted all MR and SLD DX's nearly perfectly to explain the numbers. Of course - one could jump up and say "You can make statistics prove anything you like", but this one is pretty hard to refute!


[insert autism_diva's argument here]

The whole "epidemic" is a scam.

I agree, and this has been my reasoning since I first heard about this 'epidemic'.



Thank you. I think if you pay attention to the details that all the hype feels "false". Bob Wright was over Newsweek essentially when they put out an article on "the hidden epidemic".

OK. so maybe it's "hidden" because it never happened?



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20 Dec 2007, 2:30 am

Yup. In a reverse sort of perspective, it's like calling the Black Death "A coincidence of lots of people getting sick." :roll:


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20 Dec 2007, 5:39 am

autism_diva wrote:
I have never heard that Best's son has CDD. It would be unusual if he did. I mean if you go with the odds.... Also if Best is on the spectrum himself, then his child probably has autism of the more regular sort.


To be honest, Diva, I don't think it's an if with Best. I'm sure he's an Aspie. I only brought that up because Ender claimed Sam was CDD. I didn't ask for the details - and even if I did Best would mod it out and make some stupid comment.

autism_diva wrote:
If you look at the IDEA data which is just administrative data which is not good "epidemiology" at all, but has been used as that over and over again by the malicia... You can see that the overal percentage of kids in "special ed" in schools leveled off like about 4 years ago (or looked like it was starting to level off, I should say).

The category "autism" is tiny compared to the category "mental retardation" Keep that in mind. And the category Specific Learning Disability is also massive compared to the tiny number of autistic students...

If you look at the data, which is available online in the more or less "raw" state but it's about 3 years old... you can see that exactly as autism goes up, MR and SLD go down. Also there was NO autism in the IDEA data collection until 1992. Before that autistic kids would have been put in another category... like... uhm... MR or SLD?


I don't doubt that for a second, Diva. Of course the epidemic is a scam - I completely agree. How long has MR and SLD been recognised for? I lay odds of 5 to 1 on (hey I'd better be careful I don't go the horse racing huh? LMAO!) that it predates the buzz year for the mercury militia - 1931.



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20 Dec 2007, 6:51 am

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Of the 1 in 150, almost all are Asperger's. And Asperger's people don't need Autism Speaks to talk for us. See? I'm talking all by myself [aren't I clever] and I say "Butt out Bob"


Actually the majority of ASD is PDD-NOS. On average in 10000 people 27,5 have some ASD, bdivided in 15 case of PDD-NOS, 10 Autistic Disorder and 2,5 Asperger's syndrome (Tidmarsh-2003 based on Fombonne-2003).



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20 Dec 2007, 1:29 pm

autism_diva wrote:
littlebopeep wrote:
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littlebopeep wrote:
Do you have a link to that article?


I think you can read it on the Congressional Quarterly website if you have a subscription...


Thanks! I think my hub gets this publication, so I'll look into it. Merci.


You have our own hub? :) it took me a few seconds to figure out you meant, "husband"... that is "husband" isn't it? :D


I thought that "hubby" might be a bit too precious to say, so I called him a hub. :lol:



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20 Dec 2007, 8:48 pm

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You have our own hub? :) it took me a few seconds to figure out you meant, "husband"... that is "husband" isn't it? :D


I thought that "hubby" might be a bit too precious to say, so I called him a hub. :lol:[/quote]

Personally, hubby sounds way more acceptable than "dh" . For some reason that convention of using dd, ds, dh... is just really annoying.
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Did you find the article?



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20 Dec 2007, 9:38 pm

Great thread! I always laugh to myself, when I hear about this Autism "Epidemic." Gee, I wanna be part of the epidemic! :twisted: But I guess I can't, since I had Asperger's way back in the 60's. Maybe that was a different epidemic, huh?


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