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there marketing ablifiy to treat depression here now because ive seen the commercials.

I take Abilify. We're still playing with the dosage, and it makes me sleepy, but I'll take the greatly improved functioning with the side effects any day.

And I've tried holistic approaches for over eight years. They only do so much for me. And it is incredibly inflammatory and offensive to be told that I suffer from psychosis because I'm not self disciplined enough. Been there, done that, rejected THAT delusion too.

there marketing ablifiy to treat depression here now because ive seen the commercials.



As a matter of fact, given the potentially undesirable, and sometimes disastrous neurological side effects of these mental disorder-related medications, especially all those antipsychotics / neuroleptics, I am actually not favouring any of such medications.



Nevertheless, at the same time I must also admit that, well, when the persons suffering from the mental disorders are actually having such related hardly controllable symptoms like extreme suicidal tendencies, anxiety / panic attacks, violent, physical emotional outbursts etc, just what are the other alternatives that could actually turn out to be more effective than the medications in bringing such mental diorder-related symptoms under control effectively, if not immediately ?



As such, whilst such mental disorder-related medications are actually the 'necessary evils' in terms of treatments for the mental disorders, extreme precautions would reasonably need to be exercised especially on the part of their very users, in such a way that, while the users are deriving the great curative benefits from such related medications, they, at the same time, should also need to safeguard themselves from the eventual manifestations of any of such potentially undesirable, and sometimes disastrous neurological side effects from such medications.



Hence, that's exactly the very reason why I have suggested the following as a holistic approach to the treatment of mental disorders, which in turn include the other factors as well apart from the related medications.



1/3 of medicational helps + 1/3 of psychotherapies, interactive, interpersonal, emotional, communication, conselling supports from the others + 1/3 of self-determinations, self-initiatives, self-controls, self-wills and self-disciplines to think positively, rationally, realistically and practically as well as to lead a normal and healthy life"



And I've tried holistic approaches for over eight years. They only do so much for me. And it is incredibly inflammatory and offensive to be told that I suffer from psychosis because I'm not self disciplined enough. Been there, done that, rejected THAT delusion too.



Well, in terms of all those self-disciplines that I have mentioned in my posts, along with all the self-efforts etc for one to think positively, rationally, realistically and practically, the actual concept and final objective of it is actually for the ones troubled with mental disorders to eventually being able to lead a normal and healthy life by themselves with the any other normal and healthy people objectively, reasonably and naturally perceive these persons as normal and healthy as them too.



Whilst patience may take a long way in getting those goasl achieved, and at the same time, tremendous external positive interpersonal influences, inspirations, communications, moral and emotional supports from the others, such as their kin, relatives, close friends, etc who are genuinely willing to help such people, would thus be needed to achieve such objectives.

I've been on them and off of them, on them and off of them and then did pretty good for a while. This was due to hospitalizations.

Well this year after having a meltdown or whatever you want to call it, they prescribed me Zyprexa. I guess after all those questions they asked about me seeing things, hearing things, going through manic like states and so on they didn't believe me and I kept bringing aspergers and clinical depression up. The doctor like many I've encountered in psych wards was not only rude to me by asking wtf aspergers was but prescribed me a med that not only f****d with my head but it made me get sharp tingles in my joints and I couldn't keep awake or think clearly.

It wasn't until after a couple of days of being back home when I looked it up and what it was for schizophrenia and a maintenance treatment for a bipolar disorder!

This after telling him over and over again, I didn't experience the type of thoughts that're associated with both conditions....and I made it clear that I had a history of clinical depression and aspergers. He made my condition of aspergers sound like something out of a fairy tale and I didn't know what else to say even though there should of been an evidence of my being diagnosed.

This has been the umpteen time that I was treated for psychotic like disorders. My own psychiatrist was even baffled by what happened after explaining it to her. So it doesn't pay to have a mental break down and end up in a hospital of doctors who don't know what they're doing if they don't personally know you.

"I've been on them and off of them, on them and off of them and then did pretty good for a while. This was due to hospitalizations."



"The doctor like many I've encountered in psych wards was not only rude to me by asking wtf aspergers was but prescribed me a med that not only f**** with my head but it made me get sharp tingles in my joints and I couldn't keep awake or think clearly."



Well, as a part-time social worker dealing mostly with the hospitalised in-patients of mostly the psychiatric medical facilities, special-care nursing homes etc, I understand your difficult situation and the hard feelings of bitterness etc associated with your related unpleasant experiences in those wards.



As a matter of fact, having carried out my voluntary unpaid duties for these psychiatric in-patients for almost 5 years, I have so far really not yet come across even a single duly and appropriately ethical and occupationally-committed doctor / psychiatric / official medical operative from, and paid by any of such medical facilities, who would even care to treat their patients respectfully, compassionately, or rather humanely.



So, may I just say, how saddening it is.



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Compassionate & Humane Treatments For The Mentally-ill People - Follow-up



Included below are some classic paintings advocating compassionate and humane treatments (in contrast to deliberate physical abuses, brutalities, maltreatments, tortures, cruelties, ridicules, derisions, disparagings, mockings, humiliations, and other forms of subtle purposeful malicious acts) for the mentally-ill people who are totally unable to defend and protect themselves at all :



The engraving of the eighth print of William Hogarth's A Rake's Progress depicting Inmates at Bedlam Asylum :



The Hospital of Saint Mary of Bethlehem, a London mental hospital commonly known as Bedlam, sold admission tickets to the public in the 18th century, becoming a popular tourist attraction. In this engraving by English artist William Hogarth, part of his series A Rake’s Progress (1735), two women (seen in the background) tour the hospital, watching the mentally ill patients for their amusement. The hospital became notorious for its miserable conditions and cruel treatment of patients.


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Dr. Philippe Pinel at the Salpêtrière, 1795 by Robert Fleury. Pinel ordering the removal of chains from patients at the Paris Asylum for insane women


French physician Philippe Pinel supervises the unchaining of mentally ill patients in 1794 at La Salpêtrière, a large hospital in Paris. Pinel believed in treating mentally ill people with compassion and patience, rather than with cruelty and violence. This painting, Pinel Frees the Insane from Their Chains, was completed by French artist Tony Robert-Fleury in 1876.


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When I first began taking medication, I was put on Zoloft and Risperdal. The Risperdal had terrible side effects on me. I gained weight from the increased appetite, I slept more often and for longer durations. I was less anxious, so the Risperdal did do its job, but I was very sluggish and had a difficult time staying awake and having the motivation and energy to continue my life. So then I was taken off Risperdal and given Paliperidone (Invega), which is working like a charm now. I don't feel sluggish and lazy, I'm not eating and sleeping all day, and I have made significant recovery and improvement from my previous state of anxiety neuroses and paranoia.

I see.


But still, I would wish to inform you that Rispderal is not in any way better than Paliperidone (Invega).


So, Please consider the following fairly common side effects of these antipsychotic medications :



urinating less than usual or not at all;

restless muscle movements in your eyes, tongue, jaw, or neck; (Tardive Dyskinesia)

tremor (uncontrolled shaking);

trouble swallowing; or

feeling like you might pass out.



quoted from :


http://www.drugs.com/risperdal.html

http://www.drugs.com/mtm/paliperidone.html

http://www.drugs.com/invega.html

Additional Information About Modern And Outdated Medications For Mental Disorders



Besides, I would like to add that as far as the harmful and nearly unavoidable muscle spasms (involuntary restless bodily / muscular movements such as rapid purposeless uncontrollable eye-blinking / eyelid-twitching, Hemifacial Spasms, Tardive Dyskinesia, Dystonia etc) and other neurological disorders arising from the harmful neuromuscular / neurological / neuro-degenerative side effects of certain medications are concerned, there have been in fact a great variety of other far better medications with greater curative effects and far lesser harmful side effects getting invented from time to time nowadays by the modern medical science in order to overcome this problem.



Nevertheless, the usual current practice of most medical practitioners nowadays are such that they would prefer to prescribe and dispense the inferior and outdated medications to their patients owing to the far lower costs of these medications, and hence the health cares of the patients are getting unfairly exploited and jeopardized in such a scenario.



For an instance, the medication called chlorpromazine is actually one of the examples of the longly outdated first-generation antipsychotic medications that has long been superseded by the other far better second and third-generation antipsychotics ever since decades ago. However, such inferior and outdated medications are still the commonly preferred choices for prescriptions and dispensing of most medical practitioners nowadays.



Examples of First-generation antipsychotics for treating schizophrenia :


http://www.webmd.com/schizophrenia/firs ... izophrenia



In such a connection, please refer to the website as follows for some overviews of all these first, second and third-generation antipsychotics.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antipsychotics

I will never even get close to antipsychotics again. My psychiatrist perscribed them to me for Depersonalization Disoder, and granted, they worked! But at a very high price. I've taken Risperidal, Seroquil, and Abilify (there may have been a fourth one I forgot about) and I never felt different until my doctor boosted the amount, and then the first time I was on the higher dose of each, I woke up, looked around, thought, "it's gone!! !!" and then I would sit up, feel little dizzy, stand up, and fall over with dizziness while feeling the intense need to vomit, and couldn't go to school that day. Definitely not worth it in my opinion.

antipsychotics are perscribed for people with ASDs because they are extremely effective in reducing anxiety. And unlike actual anxiety specific medications, they're not addictive.

if someone with an ASD (with no co-mobrbid conditions) is perscribed an antipsychotic, this is almost definitely why.

i personally have tried them, and while they can have a clarifying affect for awhile, it doesn't last all that long and the down sides are worse. if you are a creative type, prepared to be a lesser one on this kind of drug.

Autism is NOT psychosis. Autistics should not be given anti-psychotics unless they actually have a co-morbid psychotic disorder. There are plenty of medications that help depression and anxiety (SSRIs, SSNRIs, beta-blockers, etc.) and executive dysfunction (Ritalin) without as many side effects.

I've heard some horrible, nasty things about Risperidal.

They prescribe anti-convulsants to people who aren't convulsing... Anti-psychotic meds have other uses besides psychosis (such as anxiety, anger, meltdowns, etc.), just like SSRI's are used for things other than depression (anxiety, OCD, etc.)... FWIW, I'm on Risperdal now, and I've never had side effects of any kind - maybe I'm just lucky?

And unlike actual anxiety specific medications, they're not addictive.


I quite agree with you that antipsychotics / neuroleptics are basically and generally not addictive themselves. Nevertheless, practically when such medications are solely and over-relied upon to the point of sheer abuse particularly for the purposes of controlling one's mood, behavioral and personality disorders, would such habitually self-inflicted addiction for such drugs developed from the one's own psychological complex be of any differences from the externally-induced addiction at all in the end ? Therefore, other non-medicational efforts such as communication and emotional supports from the others as well as the related self-control efforts (to control one's mood and tempers) should thus also be taken at the same time to deal with such mental disorders more effectively whilst taking such medications.



i personally have tried them, and while they can have a clarifying affect for awhile, it doesn't last all that long and the down sides are worse. if you are a creative type, prepared to be a lesser one on this kind of drug.


Well, given that antipsychotics / neuroleptics are afterall powerful mind-altering drugs that work by means of artificially interferring with the normal functioning of the synaptic activities of the nervous systems, there are thus subsequent risks of all the related neurological / neuromuscular / neuro-degenerative side effects associated with their usages in the end.


Or else, relentless and unremitting efforts would not have been put in at all by the modern medical science from time to time to develop and invent the better and better versions of such medications to minimize their inherent harmful side effects.

Antipsychotics are addictive. Your body develops a tolerance; when you stop, you get withdrawal symptoms. That's the definition of "addictive". If you're referring to "easy to develop a psychological addiction", then no; but that ignores the fact that people often have to take months tapering off these drugs after their bodies develop a tolerance.

Antipsychotics are also referred to as "major tranquilizers". They are supposed to be drugs of last resort to calm someone who cannot pull themselves out of a panic or fit of anger. They are, of course, routinely used on people who are merely upset.

I have a schizophrenic ex girlfriend who's on abilify. she says the side effect is sudden death, but she would rather risk that than go back to the way she used to be.