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11 Jan 2008, 1:35 pm

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I've had an elbow rebuilt, 8 knee scopes, 9 major knee surgeries, 1 knee replacement, 14 broken/cracked ribs, 6 broken arms, 4 concussions, hundreds of broken feet, etc) Pain never slowed me down so I'd compound injury on top of injury many times.


WOW! What did you do? Play rugby all day or jump off buildings? I hope you're alright and not in a body cast or something. You're a good example of why it's important to treat the problem of being too insensitive to pain. I'm glad the diet is helping you. I may have some good news about the diet. The pain is related to a problem with a digestive enzyme called DPP-IV. I went on and off it and my pain tolerance changed each time. I used to treat IBS with digestive enzymes until I found out that probiotics can cure it. The probiotics cured my digestive problems and when I went off the diet again, my pain sensitivity was like halfway normal. I thought maybe they're treating whatever inhibits DDP-IV since it also cured whatever inhibited other digestive enzymes so I kept taking more probiotics. I stopped the diet again on Christmas and stayed off it since then. I punched myself in the arm today and it hurts just as much as when I was on the diet. I'm hoping the probiotics cured whatever inhibited the DPP-IV enzyme because the gfcf diet is really hard to follow.


No rugby... mother was afraid I'd get hurt. hahaha :)
I did play soccer, blew a knee squatting 750lbs, tripped a lot, thrown shoulders out tossing shotput, bike accidents, lord too many things to enumerate. Last year I had to get a nerve and muscle test done (where they stick needles in your muscles, twist them and apply electric shock to them, and yes, it's as much fun as it sounds). The doctor who did it came in... stopped... said OMG, you've more scares than anyone I've ever seen. Then at the conclusion of the test (which was smattered with a whole lot of oh mys, this can't be, etc)... I've never seen anyone whose muscles are as inflammed as yours who is still conscious.

If there is a way to break it, smash it, hurt it... been there done that. :)

I'm the worst combination possible. High pain threshhold...extremely strong (was able to bench over 300lbs at age 12) and about as clumsy as you can be. muhahaha... oh look I rolled a 4.


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11 Jan 2008, 1:42 pm

It's simple. We have high anxiety so we are not in touch with reality so we don't react the same way.



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11 Jan 2008, 3:59 pm

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I think you may be less sensitive to pain than most people. Some people used to punch me alot. One time I got punched until I got a big bruise. It hurt but I didn't seem like I was in much pain. Recently, I tried the gluten-free/casein-free diet and after two weeks I punched myself in the arm and it hurt like 10 or 20 times as much as it did before. The diet works because some people lack the ability to digest the opiate pieces of protein from gluten and casein. Opiates are painkillers so if you have that problem pain doesn't hurt as much. If you had been on the diet for two weeks when you broke your foot, you probably would have been screaming and crying due to the intense pain it would have caused.


Wow. This is really fascinating Zen.

Does this mean that many aspies are genetically still 'pre-farming' people? That is, still have a preponderence of the nomadic genes?



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11 Jan 2008, 4:06 pm

I have a pretty good tolerance for pain. I did cry when I was five/six and broke my arm, but stopped when my mom asked me to so I could answer her questions about the pain. A few months ago my friends and I discovered that I don't mind being shot with a BB gun, the first time it happened this kid shot me on the hand from 6-9 feet away and he was like "did it hit you?" I said yes. He said "aren't you going to flinch or say ow, or react at all?" I said "I don't know, shoot it again". It's been a favorite group activity ever since.



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11 Jan 2008, 5:28 pm

My pain threshold is strange. Tattoo's don't hurt at all, I can stub my toe with little notice I just carry on. But when it comes to cramps & migraines I crumble to my knees. It's either no pain at all or pain overload. Not sure why.



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11 Jan 2008, 6:59 pm

Grimfaire wrote:
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I've had an elbow rebuilt, 8 knee scopes, 9 major knee surgeries, 1 knee replacement, 14 broken/cracked ribs, 6 broken arms, 4 concussions, hundreds of broken feet, etc) Pain never slowed me down so I'd compound injury on top of injury many times.


WOW! What did you do? Play rugby all day or jump off buildings? I hope you're alright and not in a body cast or something. You're a good example of why it's important to treat the problem of being too insensitive to pain. I'm glad the diet is helping you. I may have some good news about the diet. The pain is related to a problem with a digestive enzyme called DPP-IV. I went on and off it and my pain tolerance changed each time. I used to treat IBS with digestive enzymes until I found out that probiotics can cure it. The probiotics cured my digestive problems and when I went off the diet again, my pain sensitivity was like halfway normal. I thought maybe they're treating whatever inhibits DDP-IV since it also cured whatever inhibited other digestive enzymes so I kept taking more probiotics. I stopped the diet again on Christmas and stayed off it since then. I punched myself in the arm today and it hurts just as much as when I was on the diet. I'm hoping the probiotics cured whatever inhibited the DPP-IV enzyme because the gfcf diet is really hard to follow.


No rugby... mother was afraid I'd get hurt. hahaha :)
I did play soccer, blew a knee squatting 750lbs, tripped a lot, thrown shoulders out tossing shotput, bike accidents, lord too many things to enumerate. Last year I had to get a nerve and muscle test done (where they stick needles in your muscles, twist them and apply electric shock to them, and yes, it's as much fun as it sounds). The doctor who did it came in... stopped... said OMG, you've more scares than anyone I've ever seen. Then at the conclusion of the test (which was smattered with a whole lot of oh mys, this can't be, etc)... I've never seen anyone whose muscles are as inflammed as yours who is still conscious.

If there is a way to break it, smash it, hurt it... been there done that. :)

I'm the worst combination possible. High pain threshhold...extremely strong (was able to bench over 300lbs at age 12) and about as clumsy as you can be. muhahaha... oh look I rolled a 4.


Thanks for sharing. I hope you stay safe in the future. :)



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11 Jan 2008, 7:03 pm

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I think you may be less sensitive to pain than most people. Some people used to punch me alot. One time I got punched until I got a big bruise. It hurt but I didn't seem like I was in much pain. Recently, I tried the gluten-free/casein-free diet and after two weeks I punched myself in the arm and it hurt like 10 or 20 times as much as it did before. The diet works because some people lack the ability to digest the opiate pieces of protein from gluten and casein. Opiates are painkillers so if you have that problem pain doesn't hurt as much. If you had been on the diet for two weeks when you broke your foot, you probably would have been screaming and crying due to the intense pain it would have caused.


Wow. This is really fascinating Zen.

Does this mean that many aspies are genetically still 'pre-farming' people? That is, still have a preponderence of the nomadic genes?


I think most aspies tested have an overgrowth of yeast or bacteria in the GI tract. I took probiotics to treat digestive problems and I went off the diet for the last time on Christmas and now my pain sensitivity is normal so I think the probiotics cured whatever inhibited the enzyme that digests wheat and milk. I posted more info in my post above if you're interested.



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12 Jan 2008, 4:10 am

Most of my "pain" is really just worrying. I sometimes pace around and worry that it won't heal properly, but there's not much "real pain".
Only discomfort. Which can be just as bad, I guess.


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12 Jan 2008, 4:42 pm

I don't react much to pain either, besides swearing if it's one of those sudden surprise pains, like a paper cut. Pain also fades really quickly. I guess I'm not sensitive to injury sort of pain much at all, but I think I feel internal pain, like stomachaches, like everyone else.



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12 Jan 2008, 5:57 pm

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when i was 15ish my friends were unnerved when we were working on something and i hit my thumb with a hammer and then looked at it and unexcitedly said 'ow'. they thought i didn't feel pain. if it didn't hurt, i wouldn't have said 'ow'.


I do this too. Always have done. I almost do it to let others know I have hurt myself rather than actually because it hurts. This is probably partly why I don't mind participating in combat sports too. My pain tolerance is pretty high and my dad's is also very high and he is AS too.



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12 Jan 2008, 9:47 pm

It depends on the kind of pain. Things like shots, scratches, pinches and other needle related things don't hurt. Or rather I don't react to them. I feel them but it doesn't hurt like with other people. Sometimes they even feel good (?)

But things like being punched, kicked, etc. Really solid pains (that doesn't make sense), those hurt a lot. I bruise easily I suppose.

Ex. I recently hurt my finger in such a way that part of my nail tore away from the skin. It bled. But only hurt (mildly) for a second or two. Coincidentally I get this type of injury often, along with scrathces, paper cuts, and things like that. I mostly don't notice them till someone points it out, "Hey, you're bleeding".



It's rather hard to explain it seems....



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12 Jan 2008, 9:51 pm

i am like this aswell, when i was 16 or 17 or so i had a serious appendicitis that actually ruptured, in the nitetime and i didnt have surgury until the next day, the doctor said i was close to dying because the infection that ruptured my appenix spread to other parts of my body and he said they had to individually clean some of my innards. however if i know something is going to be painful like going to the dentist, i turn into a big baby!


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12 Jan 2008, 10:27 pm

I snaped my arm in two, the hurmous bone upper arm, with a 2 inch sepreation, And the ER nures did not belive me untill the

Xrays came back and they all were woundering why I was not screaming in pain. Then they rushed me in to the ortho Doc. I

didn't want other to touch me,and I would yell about that. but not about the broken arm. The arm just didn't seem to hurt just acky.

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13 Jan 2008, 4:20 am

I tend to be pretty good with pain actually. Things hurt sometimes, but it doesn't bother me at all. Almost like it just feels different. (When things do really hurt though, nobody but me knows it.) I don't even remember the last time I cried from pain. Actually, I can stick whole needles and 1-2 inch safety pins in my thighs and I don't feel it at all. Maybe there is something wrong with my nerves there, but I don't know. I first realized it because there was like, a little spot where it looked like blood had welled up almost to the surface, so I got a (clean) safety pin and stuck it in to see if I could drain it. I kept pushing until I realized that the whole freaking thing was in my leg. I did it like, five more times to show my sisters and to see if it was just that one spot or something, but I didn't feel it anywhere on my leg. On part of it, I could barely feel something like the muscle splitting, but it didn't hurt. It was really weird. I am also fairly insensitive to the cold. I could be standing out wet in the wind in 40 degree weather with a T-shirt and shorts on, almost numb, and my mom would have to make me put my jacket on. I can't stand anything hot though. I don't even drink hot chocolate or coffee very often. I hate heat like nothing else...



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13 Jan 2008, 12:24 pm

This is a really interesting thread.

Wrackspurt wrote:
My pain threshold is strange. Tattoo's don't hurt at all, I can stub my toe with little notice I just carry on. But when it comes to cramps & migraines I crumble to my knees. It's either no pain at all or pain overload. Not sure why.


Yes, I'm like that. Since I stopped taking the contraceptive pill my menstrual cramps have returned with a vengeance, and they can really crease me up to the point where I can't concentrate on anything else. But pain caused be external damage just doesn't seem to make much of an impression on me. For example, I was feeding Murdoch, our black rat snake (he's about eight feet long), and I was holding the (dead) mouse I was offering him too far forward - it was entirely my fault - , so he got hold of me as well as the mouse, and sank his recurved teeth right into my hand. I don't remember it hurting much, and I was less concerned about the pain than I was about damaging his mouth by yanking my hand out of it, so I just sat calmly by his vivarium for five minutes until he finally decided he'd bitten off more than he could chew and let go of me. I was later told that it looked as though I was just sitting with my hand in the vivarium giving him a stroke...



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13 Jan 2008, 4:12 pm

Sometimes I have huge pain but I don't know how to react. So people don't understand that I am about to die of pain and need help. They just don't belive me. So I suffer big time.


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