Which is more Important to you? Ends or Means?

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Seconded. Means are most important, in life and especially in road trips (half the fun being, getting there.)

Means. Running head first into a wall and dying is what being a man is all about. Results are secondary.


And if one necessarily does want good results: Remember the Maximilian code - To, each and every time one draws one's sword, try to extinguish more evil than oneself brings into the world. "Lesser evil" is the key concept. If you are more evil than what you are fighting, you're just making excuses if you claim to care about results.

I know I'm a ruthless bastard who'll use any means to acheive my goals.

Means - although in certain circumstances I'm forced into a position where I have to put the ends ahead. I'm okay with that as long as it doesn't involve lying, and it's justified (treating a person the way they've treated me is the most common reason). If it does involve lying that's one line I won't cross.

I'd say means are more important.There's a quote from somewhere in the bible
"What does it profit a man if he gains the whole World,but loses his own soul ? "

Land property is one of the best things you can invest in; land property can often give you more growing worth than the average bank account. Gold and diamonds are also great investments; entire economies can collapse, rendering the currency almost useless but gold and diamonds will always retain their value because of their relative rarity. If the economy hits rock bottom, invest some of your money into several stocks. The prices will be a bargain and you may strike it rich when the economy gets back in shape. This, however, should not be your sole method of profit.

This is not the only way to think about your future. Many go to college for PhDs to have the careers of their dreams. My advice is to obtain an associate's or bachelor’s degree that leads to a career once you leave school. Once you have obtained that, you may decide whether or not to get the PhD for a more challenging and lucrative career.

I agree with that quote. We should never become more evil than our enemies; otherwise it would be hypocritical to denounce them.

The reason for this recent inquiry was because I have pondered about a far-fetched scenario in which "ends over means" may be justified. Let us suppose it were possible for you to time travel; you venture into the future only to see a news story about an acquaintance that killed 13 children. Let us imagine that the ability to travel in time was limited to you and only you. Would you kill that man to prevent the death of the 13 children? Remember, if you called the police, they would likely not believe you and regard you as a raving lunatic.

So you place truth (or your sense of it) above all other values? That is disturbing. You believe all other means of obtaining a goal is fair game. That is seriously scary.

***Steps away from TLPG slowly and keeps hands raised (whilst making no sudden moves)*****