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29 Jan 2008, 6:34 pm

beau99 wrote:

That is a biased website, so I have no desire to view it.

The studies aren't created by anyone on the site. The site simply lists all the studies that you can find by going to PubMed and searching for them. If you reject them, then you are clearly anti-science. You seem to label anything that disagrees with your views as biased or junk science. I think you should be more open-minded.

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29 Jan 2008, 6:37 pm

zendell wrote:

I think you should be more open-minded.

I AM open-minded.

I just merely reject anything that isn't proven fact.

Most of these studies are not proven.

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29 Jan 2008, 6:40 pm

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There's a big CDC double blind study on Gluten free/Casein free in autistic children due in the middle of this year. I'd just wait for that. The double blind part is going to be the important bit. I'm guessing it'll show that the effects are psychological, but I could be wrong. There hasn't been a good study on it yet, this'll be the first that doesn't rely on anecdote.

Double blind? Do you really think people can't tell what they eat? You can make gluten-free bread look like regular bread but it doesn't taste anything like the real thing. I don't see how anyone can not know what they are eating.

There's actually been close to 50 studies on gluten and casein in autism that can be found at http://www.autismndi.com/news/default.a ... ow=Studies although the CDC may be the first that is double-blind if they can really accomplish that.

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29 Jan 2008, 6:46 pm

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I don't know the methodology, but I've been assuming everyone goes on a gluten-free/casein-free diet, and then gluten/casein is introduced through supplements. In that form, parents will have no way of knowing who's getting what. I agree - there's no way people wouldn't tell the difference in bread and the like, so this is the only reliable way. The study's using thousands of children over a multi-year period, so it would surprise me if their methodology is bad. It's too darn expensive to do this sort of thing to not have thought of that sort of thing (although I guess we'll find out for sure when the finally publish).

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29 Jan 2008, 6:48 pm

zendell wrote:

There's actually been close to 50 studies on gluten and casein in autism that can be found at http://www.autismndi.com/news/default.a ... ow=Studies although the CDC may be the first that is double-blind if they can really accomplish that.

The problem is that placebo effect is huge amongst the autistic population, parents of children on placebos report improvements in half of all cases. Double blind is absolutely the only reliable way to test on this population because parents are so good at seeing improvements that aren't there when their kids take the latest miracle cure.

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29 Jan 2008, 6:50 pm

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im supprised vegans live longer then (which they do) and what damage is the gluten and dairy going to do if you cant process it and its making opioids in your brain? Most people in the east (who also live longer) dont eat dairy. Are you sure this study was not sponsored by the milk board?

Vegans would drop dead if supplements weren’t around... Human body is not designed for that diet due to the fact we are missing a bacteria organ before our stomach... Just thought ill stick that in...

And where is the study that they live longer?

Not sure where you got your information. I've tried looking up how vegan diet affects lifespan and found very contradictory results. Vegan groups claim they get anywhere from 5 to 15 extra years but don't have specific studies to prove it. They rely on research investigating various parts of vegan lifestyle and generally assume that they will have virtually no chance of heart disease, cancer or other diseases. Other researchers found that vegans actually live just about as long as the rest of us but most deaths in the studies were not from the the leading causes of death in the general population (heart, attack, stroke, cancer) and were not thought to be diet related.

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29 Jan 2008, 6:51 pm

beau99 wrote:

I AM open-minded.

I just merely reject anything that isn't proven fact.

Most of these studies are not proven.

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It's psychological.

You think it's doing this, but it's really not.

I bought into the theory in November and I never felt worse. It's psychological BS and nothing more.

You claim to be open-minded but you reject scientific research. You state you reject anything that isn't proven fact but you tell people who claim it helps that it's psychological and state the diet is ineffective even thought there's no proof that gluten and casein free diets don't help.

You reject anecdotal evidence from thousands of autistics who claim it helps by posting your own anecdotal account that the diet didn't help you.

Why do you have double standards? Why do you refute other peoples anecdotes and then post your own anecdote to refute them? Why do you reject the idea that the diet helps because it isn't proven and then tell someone it doesn't work even thought it's never been proven not to work? The scientific evidence indicates the diet works (even thought it hasn't been proven), yet you are convinced it doesn't work despite a lack of evidence.

Conclusion: You are very opposed to science

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29 Jan 2008, 6:54 pm

No. I posted a FACT.

I don't believe in anecdotes.

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29 Jan 2008, 6:56 pm

mmaestro wrote:

zendell wrote:

Most of these studies don't have placebo effects. For example, one study found most autistics have antibodies against gluten and casein compared to less than 10% of controls. A placebo can't explain that.

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29 Jan 2008, 6:57 pm

beau99 wrote:

No. I posted a FACT.

I don't believe in anecdotes.

Really? What do you call this?

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I bought into the theory in November and I never felt worse. It's psychological BS and nothing more.

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29 Jan 2008, 6:59 pm

zendell wrote:

beau99 wrote:

No. I posted a FACT.

I don't believe in anecdotes.

Really? What do you call this?

beau99 wrote:

I bought into the theory in November and I never felt worse. It's psychological BS and nothing more.

A fact that I felt worse than before after I tried it for a month.

I'm NEVER going GF again.

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29 Jan 2008, 7:01 pm

beau99 wrote:

zendell wrote:

beau99 wrote:

No. I posted a FACT.

I don't believe in anecdotes.

Really? What do you call this?

beau99 wrote:

I bought into the theory in November and I never felt worse. It's psychological BS and nothing more.

A fact that I felt worse than before after I tried it for a month.

I'm NEVER going GF again.

The diet didn't make you worse. It was psychological. Your anecdote doesn't mean anything.

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29 Jan 2008, 7:02 pm

zendell wrote:

beau99 wrote:

zendell wrote:

beau99 wrote:

No. I posted a FACT.

I don't believe in anecdotes.

Really? What do you call this?

beau99 wrote:

I bought into the theory in November and I never felt worse. It's psychological BS and nothing more.

A fact that I felt worse than before after I tried it for a month.

I'm NEVER going GF again.

The diet didn't make you worse. It was psychological. Your anecdote doesn't mean anything.

I posted a FACT. GET OVER IT ALREADY.

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29 Jan 2008, 7:07 pm

beau99 wrote:

zendell wrote:

beau99 wrote:

zendell wrote:

beau99 wrote:

No. I posted a FACT.

I don't believe in anecdotes.

Really? What do you call this?

beau99 wrote:

I bought into the theory in November and I never felt worse. It's psychological BS and nothing more.

A fact that I felt worse than before after I tried it for a month.

I'm NEVER going GF again.

The diet didn't make you worse. It was psychological. Your anecdote doesn't mean anything.

I posted a FACT. GET OVER IT ALREADY.

I tried the gluten-free diet and it greatly helped me. You said it was an anecdote and psychological BS. Seems you don't like people telling you the same things you tell them.

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29 Jan 2008, 7:18 pm

I definitely don't avoid dairy, but I guess I don't get the vegetables I should. And while I do love fruits, I don't eat them all that often. I don't have scurvy or anything.

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29 Jan 2008, 7:26 pm

beau99 did you get a vitamin & mineral screen before you started a gluton free diet? Because you might of needed supplements..

Following a gluten free diet presents a problem with achieving adequate intake of some nutrients. Gluten-free products compared to their counterparts are often low in B vitamins, calcium, vitamin D, iron, zinc, magnesium, and fibre. Few gluten-free products are enriched or fortified. Research has shown that patients on a gluten free diet have a poor vitamin status. Also if the compliance to the gluten free diet is not good there is a higher chance of deficiencies being present and not correcting themselves. Therefore the patient needs to be under the care of a dietitian and be regularly monitored.

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