Which medical subject would you like Autism be placed in?

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Which medical subject would you like Autism be placed in?
Mental/psychiatric disorder 4%  4%  [ 1 ]
Brain disorder/disease 4%  4%  [ 1 ]
Neurological disorder/disease 91%  91%  [ 21 ]
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30 Jan 2008, 4:59 pm

When people don't understand what it is, I'd rather just say "it basically means a natural lack of social skills."

I'd rather just be different than "have a mental condition/developmental disorder" or shi+ like that like that.


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30 Jan 2008, 5:11 pm

Greentea wrote:

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It makes me furious that people have "seen the light" re: homosexuality but not re Asperger's. To those that say AS is a disability because you can't function "normally" in society, well excuse me but homosexuals date their same sex. That's hardly "normal" social conduct, is it? Then why are they out of the books and we are not?


Well it depends on the society. Traditional western Judeo/Christian society generally condemned it. Others have openly allowed it. From the great apes we see it's not uncommon in their cultural memes. What it ISN'T is biologically and evolutionarily sound. An organism that is strictly homosexual will not reproduce and pass on it's genes unless it's capable of fission, or parthenogenesis. I've seen articles that assert the more sons a woman has, the more likely her younger or youngest will be gay. If there is a biological basis for homosexuality (and the evidence suggest, but has not proven there is...) then it would follow that the lower on the birth order a male was, the lower chance that male would have of mating and reproducing. Additionally, a woman who has more sons than daughter's may pass that gene structure on to the son... over time there would be an overabundance of males and shortage of females.

That all being said I agree I don't think we're "disordered". I think we have a predisposition to some psychiatric conditions and some physical conditions (gut disorders) compared to the general population. I certainly don't feel I have a disorder. I feel fine. Well, except for the gas. :lol:


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30 Jan 2008, 5:36 pm

lupin wrote:
What does it tell you about our society when people who are:

- honest, really honest and straightforward
- quiet and do not bother others or glomp on to them for attention
- usually really smart - and smart enought to see through NT societal delusions and manipulations

are pathologised?


I remember when I was about six or seven, there was an child with Asperger's in my class. I remember asking my mom why he was supposed to be the one with the "problem," even though he was a lot smarter and less petty as everyone else (myself included).


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30 Jan 2008, 5:42 pm

I was in the administrators office at the last college I attended, asking WHY had nothing been done about my complaint about my classroom and teacher.

She said we'vr had plenty of other people come through here, that were older students like you or consevative christian types, Why are you having such a problem?

I couldnt answer then because I didnt understand much about AS.

If I could do it over again I would say

" Aspergers don't like our instructors to use the word n*gger regularly during lecture no matter how much the rest of the class goes along with it. It hits to close to home."



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30 Jan 2008, 9:25 pm

TrueDave wrote:
None of the above.

I think High Functioning Aspergers should be under Cultural Anthropology.

We're a culture.


I like that one.


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30 Jan 2008, 10:21 pm

Phagocyte wrote:
Greentea wrote:
It makes me furious that people have "seen the light" re: homosexuality but not re Asperger's. To those that say AS is a disability because you can't function "normally" in society, well excuse me but homosexuals date their same sex. That's hardly "normal" social conduct, is it? Then why are they out of the books and we are not?


More severe forms of autism are certainly disabilities. There's a difference between being completely unable to cope with the world, and being so borderline Asperger's that you're not even sure you have it. I don't consider them one-and-the-same.

am agree,but AS also differs in severity,most people will not get to see it unless they have gone through places designed for lower functioning people like residential homes and day centres.
This is the problem when people from different ends of the spectrum and different ends of each label base a whole spectrum or label on their own experience.

Original topic.
Am see autism as neurological/brain affecting.
But am also think mental illnesses aren't really mental either,as a lot of them have a physical cause.


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31 Jan 2008, 2:03 am

I would go with Cultural Anthropology.

Mental Sports?

Cultural Doers?

I have noticed I am someone the young toughs test themselves against, the bully faction continues, so there must be something there, or they would go hit little kids.

Something about us makes even the toughs insecure.

Several times during my life the situation has gone to hell, and with no anawer, no hope, and a lot of fear, people ask me what to do.

Then it hit me, all their prior responses were like a child rebelling from a parent, untill they screw up big time, then they come as good little kids to ask help.

The Hunters and Warriors of the tribe say they are not afraid of the Shaman, brag of how great they are, but when they come in empty handed, and and a new group has hunted the food and have their own warriors, they come ask the Shaman what they should do.

They do see us as superior, When a hunt fails, there is nothing, everyone will get weak, with less chance of survival, less energy to hunt with, but that old crazy cat lady knows witch stuff, so facing death they become nice little kids, explain they are starving, as they tried to starve her, and she shows them that the river bank is covered in Cattails, and the roots are enough to feed everyone, for months.

I am sure it was the same with growing plants, some little private patch because the group did not share, and excluded secretive people eat too. So they would be the first to depend on new food supplies, and the last to ask when all were hungry.

They would be the people who found good hiding places, explored the edge of the world, tried new foods, and were independant of the group, where most knew, they were totally dependant, and hence the social small talk, grooming, which says, I am not worth it, but keep me.

The people who got no meat from the hunt, but still survived, were the ones to see when there was no meat.

Our great football bullies assert themselves on geeks, but when twenty other bullies show up, just as big, just as well armed, well, it was the Geek that survived our bullies, so who do they turn to?

No one stopped in the middle of a hunt, and said, lets make pottery. That was that strange person, who played with mud and fire, wasting time and effort that could have been spent on watching sports.

A real hunter could make a spear in ten minutes, that slow witted guy took a month, then someone stole it from him, proving they were better, it did fly true, no in flight wobble, it went farther, hit harder, brought in more food, till a deer ran off with it, then mighty hunter fails. Strange guy not make new spear, or hid it, now everyone hungry.

They had had it, used it, and never thought of making more. Strange guy is a Maker, so we kick him, starve him, and steal from him, because we are better people, we are Normal.

I do not like the comparison to homosexuals. Might Hunters, Football players, play there too. Tech is not homosexual, they are just more NT's. They are just as bad.

We are not like anything, we are other. Not socially dependant, and survive all of their worst. We still come up with all the good stuff, which they being normal, form gangs to steal.

Now someone dares insult me here with what mental illness would you call yourself?

I am your worst nightmare.



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31 Jan 2008, 10:17 am

Missing Option: Neuroscience

why? neuroscientists seem the most celebratory of neurodiversity and arn't there to diagnose things, something I think even psychiatrists aren't very scientific about.

2nd choice: Philosophers.... cause I am one and they rule.



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31 Jan 2008, 4:46 pm

I voted for neurology if we're dealt with medically at all.


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31 Jan 2008, 6:05 pm

None. No doubt that is an evolutionary advantage!! ! Just kind of sucks being stuck a world with all of these people with neurotypical syndrome.