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Danielismyname
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06 Feb 2008, 9:02 am

Six can include dipping of your head when you walk, i.e., looking at the ground; trouble with handwriting, etcetera. I meet 6 for I have trouble with holding things in my hands; I always drop things for I am unable to tell how much pressure to apply before I break the glass. Asperger's children had motor difficulties; Kanner's didn't.

Here's Professor Attwood's personal criteria (he uses Gillberg's however):

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Dr Hans Asperger, an Austrian paediatrician, originally described Asperger’s Syndrome in 1944. The syndrome has more recently been classified as an autistic spectrum disorder.

Children and adults with Asperger’s Syndrome have an intellectual capacity within the normal range, but have a distinct profile of abilities that has been apparent since early childhood. The profile of abilities includes the following characteristics:

A qualitative impairment in social interaction:
* Failure to develop friendships that are appropriate to the child’s developmental level.
* Impaired use of non-verbal behaviour such as eye gaze, facial expression and body language to regulate a social interaction.
* Lack of social and emotional reciprocity and empathy.
* Impaired ability to identify social cues and conventions.

A qualitative impairment in subtle communication skills:
* Fluent speech but difficulties with conversation skills and a tendency to be pedantic, have an unusual prosody and to make a literal interpretation.

Restrictive Interests:
* The development of special interests that is unusual in their intensity and focus.
* Preference for routine and consistency.

The disorder can also include motor clumsiness and problems with handwriting and being hypersensitive to specific auditory and tactile experiences. There can also be problems with organisational and time management skills and explaining thoughts and ideas using speech. The exact prevalence rates have yet to be determined, but research suggests that it may be as common as one in 250. The aetiology is probably due to factors that affect brain development and not due to emotional deprivation or other psychogenic factors.



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06 Feb 2008, 1:04 pm

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Six can include dipping of your head when you walk, i.e., looking at the ground; ...


WOW, how is that lack of a motor skill? That describes ME also, but I CAN lift my head up.



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06 Feb 2008, 2:23 pm

Welcome to WP.

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I'm eighteen and most people see me as "strange" or "different".


I know how that is. I used to hate it up until about age 14, but I later became fond of the attention it gave me. Now I'm again trying to be normal in my interaction with others, and as in the past, without success.

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When I was about nine years old I was obsessed with road maps, to the extent that I brought a book with road maps of local towns to school, for quiet reading in class.


I used to love memorizing those when I was 5-6 years old. Since I had asthma then, I had to sit out during physical education classes and I would often recite routes to various places to a teacher who would sit with me.

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I was always (and still am) very good at mental arithmetic


Me too.

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I was bullied quite a lot for reasons I couldn't (and still can't) explain, although this bullying had basically stopped by my third year of high school, thankfully.


I had the same problem with bullying, and I hated it.


You also probably know what it is like to have had no long-term friends through grade school and to be an outcast in middle school, or to have people refer to you as a freak, or call you an 'it' instead of a 'he' or a 'she'.

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Six can include dipping of your head when you walk, i.e., looking at the ground; trouble with handwriting, etcetera.


I look at the ground when I walk for multiple reasons: sunlight doesn't hurt my eyes as much when it is very sunny out(when I blink I can see red, but this may be normal), so I don't trip over things in front of me, and so it's easier for me to think.

I have moderate difficulty with handwriting and when I was in special education classes in grade school this was one area that I remember receiving a lot of assistance on. Unless I write very slowly, my handwriting is usually only legable to myself without taking a lot of time for someone to read it. This was somewhat detrimental to me on college exams and homework(I'd never take the extra effort and time to re-write it, as it would have taken an hour or more each night). However, I have absolutely no problems drawing things or with art and I excel in that area, probably because I spent many many hours as a child practicing it.

I'm clumsy when folding things such as paper to make cards or cutting with scissors. I usually never get them even.

I still can't catch, and my first instinct when something is thrown towards me is to duck or move out of the way. I learned how to properly throw at age 17, but I can't replicate that now and would have to practice again and re-learn it.

When trying to crack an egg to cook it, more than half the time I completely crack the shell and break the yolk. I have a poor sense of how much pressure to apply in this regard.



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06 Feb 2008, 10:37 pm

This thread seems to be doing a lot of business. :D

I've always walked with my head dipped, that's if I'm not looking left or right (or even behind me).

Back at school, in our Physical Education classes I could never get more than three feet up a rope climb, I never liked using the jungle gym and I could never slide down the fireman's escape pole, I always lagged along in last place so the other kids wouldn't see me struggle, and my teacher would let me skip ahead. But catching a ball or kicking a soccer ball was never really a problem, I was never very good at either but I never stood out.

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When trying to crack an egg to cook it, more than half the time I completely crack the shell and break the yolk. I have a poor sense of how much pressure to apply in this regard.


I've never liked cracking eggs. If I'm using a metal pot I'm ok if I pay close attention to what I'm doing, but using a plastic bowl or a counter top ends in disaster, every time.

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You also probably know what it is like to have had no long-term friends through grade school and to be an outcast in middle school, or to have people refer to you as a freak, or call you an 'it' instead of a 'he' or a 'she'.


Well, I had a few friends in high school but sometimes I would just get ignored by them, and there were some classes in high school where I wouldn't get spoken to by anyone, those classes dragged on forever, but I always got referred to as "he"... or "antisocial".



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06 Feb 2008, 11:59 pm

2ukenkerl wrote:
Danielismyname wrote:
Six can include dipping of your head when you walk, i.e., looking at the ground; ...


WOW, how is that lack of a motor skill? That describes ME also, but I CAN lift my head up.


No idea (I only read it in a book; I'll try and find a link); I assume it may be due to difficulties with balance, I know people with certain neurological disorders look at the ground to help with their walking/gait abnormalities. I look at the ground, but I do it for I hate looking up and seeing people around me, I don't look at the ground otherwise (like in the house).

I suppose if a child doesn't answer why they look at the ground, and they're shown to have problems with balance; it points to such.

I know in the DSM-IV-TR it says that motor problems are common in AS, but they're not required; personally, I like how it's not in the DSM-IV-TR criteria itself.

I'll post the DSM-IV-TR criteria too (they say it's not going to change much in V as the latest additions to IV are there to bridge the gap between IV and V):

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DSM-IV DIAGNOSTIC CRITERIA FOR ASPERGER'S DISORDER

A.Qualitative impairment in social interaction, as manifested by at least two of the following:

(1) marked impairment in the use of multiple nonverbal behaviors such as eye-to-eye gaze, facial expression, body postures, and gestures to regulate social interaction
(2) failure to develop peer relationships appropriate to developmental level
(3) a lack of spontaneous seeking to share enjoyment, interests, or achievements with other people (e.g., by a lack of showing, bringing, or pointing out objects of interest to other people)
(4) lack of social or emotional reciprocity

B.Restricted repetitive and stereotyped patterns of behavior, interests, and activities, as manifested by at least one of the following:

(1) encompassing preoccupation with one or more stereotyped and restricted patterns of interest that is abnormal either in intensity or focus
(2) apparently inflexible adherence to specific, nonfunctional routines or rituals
(3) stereotyped and repetitive motor mannerisms (e.g., hand or finger flapping or twisting, or complex whole-body movements)
(4) persistent preoccupation with parts of objects

C.The disturbance causes clinically significant impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.

D.There is no clinically significant general delay in language (e.g., single words used by age 2 years, communicative phrases used by age 3 years).

E.There is no clinically significant delay in cognitive development or in the development of age-appropriate self-help skills, adaptive behavior (other than in social interaction), and curiosity about the environment in childhood.

F.Criteria are not met for another specific Pervasive Developmental Disorder or Schizophrenia.


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Motor clumsiness and awkwardness may be present but usually are relatively mild, although motor difficulties may contribute to peer rejection and social isolation (e.g.,inability to participate in group sports).



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07 Feb 2008, 6:32 am

Danielismyname wrote:
2ukenkerl wrote:
Danielismyname wrote:
Six can include dipping of your head when you walk, i.e., looking at the ground; ...


WOW, how is that lack of a motor skill? That describes ME also, but I CAN lift my head up.


No idea (I only read it in a book; I'll try and find a link); I assume it may be due to difficulties with balance, I know people with certain neurological disorders look at the ground to help with their walking/gait abnormalities. I look at the ground, but I do it for I hate looking up and seeing people around me, I don't look at the ground otherwise (like in the house).

I suppose if a child doesn't answer why they look at the ground, and they're shown to have problems with balance; it points to such.

I know in the DSM-IV-TR it says that motor problems are common in AS, but they're not required; personally, I like how it's not in the DSM-IV-TR criteria itself.


For what it is worth, I never disputed that a lack of coordination was likely, etc... As for not answering the question of why, that doesn't make things worse. Anyway, I don't have any noticable problem with balance.

I always thought it was odd that I look down so, etc..., because I knew that many with mental problems did. I never felt too bad, because I am a loner anyway, and if anyone talks to me a few seconds they will figure I am AT LEAST normal.

Still, it is unusual enough that some emulate it as a joke, or point it out.



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07 Feb 2008, 9:21 am

Well, I took the aspie test at www.rdos.net and this is how I went:

Your Aspie score: 136 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 65 of 200
You are very likely an Aspie


But directly under it, in the boxes, I got this:

Asperger/HFA/PDD 145 You very likely will be able to receive the diagnosis