Herpes encephalitis is one cause of autism symptoms

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Yeah. Let's make it personal. That'll prove your point.

In genetics LOD scores are used. LOD score (logarithm of the odds score) is basically a statistic likelihood. A LOD score of at least 3 is said to be significant, as this means the likelihood of association is 1:1000 or more. This is no more or less scientific than any other statistics.

I was recently diagnosed with AS. Looking back, I don't remember having any, really problematic AS symptoms until around age 11 or 12. Otherwise, I was an average, healthy child. The symptoms went un-noticed by my parents, and I never got chicken pox until I was 18.

Hypothetically, if I had developed chicken pox(or any other form of herpes) at age 11, and I was treated by a "qualified" physician, isn't there a chance he might notice my AS as well? I'm quite sure, the "herpes theory" is nothing more than coincidence.

Example: Two people have an identical limp. One has a pulled achilles tendon, the other has bone cancer. Diagnose the cancer patient with a pulled tendon and send them home with ibuprofin and you've killed them. Even though their symptoms were identical, there was a BIG difference in cause.... no correlation.

Brain damage can cause many symptoms. So can many other things. They may cause something that is "autism like". If it's not physical damage to the brain some of those things may even be treatable. That doesn't mean they've "cured their autism" because they never had it. They had something that looked similar on the outside.

Using the example above, if the person diagnosed was the cancer patient, and they give the person with the pulled tendon chemo and radiation, then check and find "no cancer" can they proclaim to the world that they cured the patient's cancer?? No, because all he had was a pulled tendon.

I don't question that things can look similar. Chicken pox and measles look a lot alike... very different disease. The show House is overblown and overly dramatic for the most part, but I still think it's entertaining. The point is, how many diseases do they talk about in EVERY freakin episode??? Because they "look alike" and have to be ruled out one by one. And if they treat the wrong one, they can kill the patient. If I saw someone who was "normal" until 11, they caught a disease and the doctor said afterward "they got autism from it" first I'd demand a second opinion then I'd ask the State Medical Board to investigate. Autism is a pervasive thing it doesn't just "show up" in a half grown child. That's like saying I was black until I was 12 and then I became white... Or a girl until I was 13 then I turned into a boy.... Or I was a nice kid until I grew up then I became an as*hole... oh wait, that ones true, never mind.

w00t, go U of M. I love their facilities.

Just FYI and all, the current clinical picture of autism, and its spectrum brothers [and odd sister here and there], is that it's an umbrella term used to describe a variety of symptoms that range from mild to severe, and the cause of such is neurological in origin, i.e., neurological damage.

I'm proud to say that I never had herpes and neither had the rest of my family. Herpes-resistances in genetics. Oh yeah. Just needed to get this out.

Doesn't herpes encephalitis kill people if untreated? Brain damage is said to cause autism too, at least autism-like symptoms (that are enough to diagnose atypical autism so it's just 'plain autism' in statistics), I imagine being on the verge of death because herpes encephalitis is invading your brain counts as damage. I'm in if the result of the study is that herpes encephalitis can potentially cause autism-like symptoms. As that is what the study says, I'm fine with that.

Encephalitis from viruses are less severe than their bacterial brethren, but the former usually get those with already weakened immune systems, so I'm sure it kills its fair share, much like the latter (I don't know the statistics).

Maybe someone already said this, but as much as I encourage Zendell's research and I think it's positive that he's made autism and health his obsession, I don't think it's fair to post about it all the time. A lot of people on the board have obsessions but they know not everyone else is obsessed with the same thing and don't post about them all the time.

Maybe you can do what I've read some families whose autistic children want to talk about their obsessions all the time do, that you're allowed to post about it once a week or something. That way you can summarize what you've found out and those who are interested can read about it.

Just an idea.

herpes is discusting. hopefully it isnt associated with autism