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NeantHumain
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27 Feb 2008, 9:36 pm

Being able to write a post here implies that one is verbal. Verbal refers to both the written and the spoken word.



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27 Feb 2008, 9:43 pm

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Growing up I was nonverbal, now Im happy that i can speak verbally, even though sometimes its only echolila its defintely something haha.
I was non verbal until I was six or seven, but now you can't shut me up :P



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27 Feb 2008, 9:44 pm

NeantHumain wrote:
Being able to write a post here implies that one is verbal. Verbal refers to both the written and the spoken word.
Not all the time, as people with more severe autism sometimes can't speak but can write on a computer...



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27 Feb 2008, 10:11 pm

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I'd say more like "the former is impossible".


I agree with you, but there are autistic individuals who "appear" non-communicative; whether they are or not is entirely up to the opinion of the person who is viewing them.

The individuals who never exit their own "autistic world" for example; whether they see themselves as communicating or not is again, up to the individual who views them as no one else can communicate to them, albeit, someone accepting and eating food is communicating, just in a way that's "socially" unknown, alien.

I've been in a non-communicative place before, and no, I never felt like I was communicating to the individuals who were trying to interact with me. Looking back, I didn't care if they existed or not, I recognized that they were there, but I didn't acknowledge their existence. This was around the age of 6 and under.



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28 Feb 2008, 12:16 am

Yeah, I remember not intentionally setting out to communicate ideas to other people, but intentional communication isn't the only kind of communication out there.


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28 Feb 2008, 12:46 am

Under extreme stress I withdraw and stop talking, but mostly I'm more of the hyperverbal category. My main problem though is that I often find myself having difficulty trying to express my thoughts in a logical sense. I'm always losing nouns, and I speak often in sentences like: "It's that thing that sounds like this word, ______, but means something more like this ________."

I do much better in written communication.


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28 Feb 2008, 12:46 am

I'm afraid to even talk these days.

I have a hard time gathering my thoughts and saying a strategic, concise and succinct statement. I either talk in one of those stream-of-consciousness things or pretty much nothing. People in public hate a person that won't get to the point. No one wants to actually listen to you. And since I can't be as forward as I used to, I'd rather just not speak.



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28 Feb 2008, 12:55 am

NeantHumain wrote:
Being able to write a post here implies that one is verbal. Verbal refers to both the written and the spoken word.


Unequivocably NOT true, and I'm proof. There are more (few, yes) of my kind too. I write well; succinctly and fluidly, but am nearly nonverbal. In the autistic mind (some), there is a clear dilineation between socio/verbal and writing. I am a HFA, well educated, yet speaking is not innate in me! Writing? I do just fine.

That being said, I am very analytical and science/math oriented, plus artistic. Just not verbal. NeantHumain - have you heard Dr. Temple Grandin SPEAK? Not write, but speak? She's trained herself quite well. I can speak, but by choreographed cues and mimicry.


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28 Feb 2008, 12:58 am

markaudette wrote:
I'm afraid to even talk these days.

I have a hard time gathering my thoughts and saying a strategic, concise and succinct statement. I either talk in one of those stream-of-consciousness things or pretty much nothing. People in public hate a person that won't get to the point. No one wants to actually listen to you. And since I can't be as forward as I used to, I'd rather just not speak.



Boy, do I understand that....sometimes it's just worth the exhausted effort. After a few attempts at trying to communicate 'X,' which I have clearly envisioned in my mind - I'm exhausted. Yet given NT STILL might not 'get it.' Pain...I try really hard. I frustrate myself. Yes, writing is just easier/better.

Oh, great avatar too :D


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28 Feb 2008, 2:26 am

Thank you LabPet.



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28 Feb 2008, 2:38 am

Yes, if I say anything, people give me a you dumbass look. I hate it, so why bother.



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28 Feb 2008, 4:12 am

From time to time, when I have felt uncomfortable, or out of my element, I have witdrawn to the point where I had a really hard time talking....seemed to happen more when I was young. Now I will just have a hard time talking to certain people...and when I try, everything that comes out of my mouth sounds like gibberish...or it will seem I can hardly control the connection between my brain and my mouth..so I will sound incredibly stupid.....but I am def. not non-verbal



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28 Feb 2008, 8:29 am

i think i am also non-verbal kind of human person. it vvas tough for me gorvving up vvith this lack of verbal communication, but i did.
novv i realize about it. it's not that i don't knovv letters and vvords, and the grammatical rules because i do, pretty vvell i vvould say. reading and vvriting i manage myself pretty vvell (ok, in my language i'll say)
but it is just i grevv up vvith a lack of necessity of verbal communication, and fi*ed in other vvays of communication non-verbal, that is i vvas alvvays this mute girls in class, not becuase i vvas, actually i could have a lot of things for telling the others, but my brain just didn't let the sounds go out of me. so, i kept all the things i learned to myself, and you could see by thevvay the others looked a t me that they vvere alvvaysvvondering vvhat the heck happened vvith me, vvhy the could see my eyes vvere plenty of meaning and content, they vvoud like alvvays to knovv vvhat things vvere going on for my head, but i just couldn't tell anyhting to them, so they just had to be satisfied vvith my non-verbal communication, and alvvays trying to look directly into y eyes, i thing i didn 't like, not because i have something against people looking my eyes, vvhy should i ? but because after years of keeping knovvledge of e*periences of life through my brain, the e*perience of my eyes acumulated seemed alvvays go ahead my ovvn practical e*periecne of life, so then i had problems vvhen someone tried to see through my eyes, because i vvas scared vvhat they might discover or see, vvhat it took so much effort to build up, but ok that vvas more vvhen i vvas younger, novv because of 'maturing' there's no scaring face anymore, it is just me and my asperger's



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28 Feb 2008, 8:50 am

I am very much verbal EXCEPT for some times when I'm stressed out and/or put on the spot. When I was a kid this often happened when I got in trouble for something I said and a parent or teacher asked me to repeat what I said, I had great trouble spitting it out, causing the parent or teacher to think I was just refusing to do what they said.


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28 Feb 2008, 9:00 am

LabPet wrote:
In the autistic mind (some), there is a clear dilineation between socio/verbal and writing.


I agree. When I write, the words flow and I never once have to think (consciously) about the the most complicated, longest sentences. People can't understand that I need no time to write down sentences like that.
But when I speak, to speak the words first need to be on the surface of my mind so that I can actively go through them and form sentences with them. That's why I always need time to answer verbal questions in class. If I were prompted to write them down - wouldn't only take as long as writing them does.

Speaking somehow works differently from writing and I really wish I'd know why.



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28 Feb 2008, 9:16 am

Writing is hard too in my opinion. Yes, it can be edited, but there's always something that gets left out, and I wonder in what way I've set myself up to be misunderstood.

I always feel it should be possible to say "tomato" meaning "redundant", or some other random combination, and still be understood. The intention should still be clear to them. But I know it's not.

I know how people like language to be done so unless provoked I don't provoke them back. I'm much more autistic on WP than in real life, I just keep my mouth shut for the most part.