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02 Mar 2008, 12:32 pm

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NT-language is by design bound to limit the view of our surroundings to distinct categories, where they in fact don't exist, and, as NTs think mostly in words, so are their thoughts.


That is, except for the 40-60 percent who think in images. :)


Most of whom also end up in their own way trapped in symbols.


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02 Mar 2008, 12:49 pm

This discussion is all about the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sapir–Whorf_hypothesis]Sapir-Whorf hypothesis[/url].


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02 Mar 2008, 2:26 pm

In the end, every form of language/thinking is limited, because the human brain itself is limited. VERY limited.



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02 Mar 2008, 2:29 pm

And words can hurt you topic

Good article, Wurdbender. Makes a lot of sense about language.

About thinking in pictures: I know what I do. I read, then a picture unfolds in my mind. Then I turn the picture into words, and out comes a verbalization of what I am thinking. This process is very rapid. using the keyboard i spell out the letters of the words once they form from the internal images. I have to look at the keyboard so I will know what letters to use. This is slower, but it does work.

Words can sting, though. A word can be sharper than the most powerful laser.

Not only are they trapped in their language of choice, NTs dig graves with their words. They start wars with them, too.

If words could talk, what would they say? :duh:


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02 Mar 2008, 3:40 pm

The point I originally made (that has become extremely distorted) has next to nothing to do with the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis.


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02 Mar 2008, 5:29 pm

WurdBendur wrote:
This discussion is all about the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sapir–Whorf_hypothesis]Sapir-Whorf hypothesis[/url].


Most experts on the subject consider that hypothesis to be a load of crap. Sadly, it still constantly turns up when cultural relativist ideologues pop out of the woodwork.


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04 Mar 2008, 6:13 am

Odin wrote:
WurdBendur wrote:
This discussion is all about the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sapir–Whorf_hypothesis]Sapir-Whorf hypothesis[/url].


Most experts on the subject consider that hypothesis to be a load of crap. Sadly, it still constantly turns up when cultural relativist ideologues pop out of the woodwork.

Do they really? The strong form is obviously crap, but I believe the hypothesis is generally understood to contain some truth.

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The most extreme opposing position — that language has absolutely no influence on thought — is widely considered to be false (Gumperz: introduction to Gumperz 1996). But the strong version of the Sapir–Whorf hypothesis, that language determines thought, is also thought to be incorrect. The most common view is that the truth lies somewhere in between the two. Current linguists, rather than studying whether language affects thought, are studying how it affects thought. Earlier, the bulk of the research was concentrated on supporting or disproving the hypothesis; the experimental data have not been able to disprove it.


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04 Mar 2008, 8:40 am

WurdBendur wrote:
Odin wrote:
WurdBendur wrote:
This discussion is all about the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sapir–Whorf_hypothesis]Sapir-Whorf hypothesis[/url].


Most experts on the subject consider that hypothesis to be a load of crap. Sadly, it still constantly turns up when cultural relativist ideologues pop out of the woodwork.

Do they really? The strong form is obviously crap, but I believe the hypothesis is generally understood to contain some truth.

Wikipedia wrote:
The most extreme opposing position — that language has absolutely no influence on thought — is widely considered to be false (Gumperz: introduction to Gumperz 1996). But the strong version of the Sapir–Whorf hypothesis, that language determines thought, is also thought to be incorrect. The most common view is that the truth lies somewhere in between the two. Current linguists, rather than studying whether language affects thought, are studying how it affects thought. Earlier, the bulk of the research was concentrated on supporting or disproving the hypothesis; the experimental data have not been able to disprove it.


Oops, Yes, I was just talking about the strong form. :oops:


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