What do you call someone like this?

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good point.

indeed lol

I don't know what we are supposed to see here really. I had nice images of a lovely cottage with a useful jeep to get around in.

I think many people misread "sycophant" for "sociopath". The first word was not mis-spelled, and I also agree with.

so yea that would be a sycophant.

Call them anything? I don't think a simple term can do it.

I'd say this is a descriptions of someone who was first and foremost lucky.

Then they also got exactly the kind of potential to acquire skills and education that is aimed at in society.

But this one:

Is a difficult issue.

1. Someone who doesn't have any emotional issues that could possibly spoil anything mustn't need to control them.

That's possible. I know people like that. Many people are like taht actually.

And if combined with luck and this certain kind of potential, they're 'Mr. and Mrs. Perfect'. And they can be awesome and nice. I know people can be like that. Gifted, well educated, gotten rich, awesome social contracts, awesome hobbies, awesome achievements... and they're nice on top of it all.


2. But if they have emotional urges that will really spoil anything beyond repairable unless controlled...

then it's more like...

emotional disturbance. Is that sociopathy? I only know about psychopathy (which it isn't really).

That looks like 'Mr. and Mrs. Perfect'. But it, eh, isn't really. Yeah.

Not to say it's necessarily bad. But it's not that awesome dream example as above. Because somebody most likely suffers in the inside when they ought to control themselves all the time.

I'd call him a despicable human.

Someone who has no integrity, who will sustain or demean any given idea or person depending on what's convenient to them at the specific moment in order to advance their social and financial interests. Someone who just "happened to fall inlove" with the blond symbol of success for a man's arm. Someone you can never know what they think, because all you ever hear and see from them is what makes them look good in the eyes of the influential people. Etc. Someone so calculating you'll never get anything spontaneous from them. Someone you can be sure, if they take an interest in you, it's for what you can make them earn, not for who you are.

So perfection and success is being a money and connections making robot????

I was about to say "robot" but you beat me to it. If someone’s only interested in doing exactly what is expected to fit a stereotypical mold of what is considered “successful” they might as well not have a brain. Maybe I’m just being prejudiced here since I can’t understand people like that. I don't understand their motivation.

I guess I can understand wanting to have money in order to be able to have more fun. But I don't get wanting to have money just to show off. What's the point of that?

Last edited by marshall on 01 Apr 2008, 3:01 pm, edited 1 time in total.

So all of those opinions aside... Just what is it supposed to describe? or rather WHO?

This is possible, but I don't think the list in your original post contains enough information to jump to such conclusions. You mention his behaviour and achievements, superficial observations, but nothing about his motives and ambitions. He could just as well be a lovely, but certainly unusual, person.

There is no direct connection between being a robot, e.g. lacking in will and self-expression and the points you stated in your opening post. People are different. And, by this difference, can fit into the same role by more or less hard work.

My approach was certainly optimistic. I can imagine someone very likeable who fits the description. This is because I have gotten to know a person like this. He was strong willed, but his will was in synchro with a majority. He didn't adopt this view from the majority. He just happened to have this particular personality, these weaknesses and strengths. He wanted to be himself - so he kept it.

And lucky he was, as by accepting himself, he became successful.

He is not calculating. He doesn't try to keep in synchro - he just is. It's natural. And thankfully, he isn't bothered by being similar to stereotypical views. Though, who knows. I bet it got to him sometime. We all doubt ourselves sometimes and I doubt he's an exception.

Then of course, another example is exactly like you described it. The person who manipulates to fit, who adopts to be in synchro, who is controlled to appear just like they want to. You described it perfectly there. That's the other extreme opposite of the one I described. Both are very likely represented by a fair share of real living people. As are the many positions in-between.

Sounds a little like my dad only he's not that perfect or has a blonde wife.

The devil himself?

Sounds like you got an axe to grind. I try not to worry about other people who aren't bothering me, directly. I'd be lying if I said I don't ever resent, but resentment is the problem of the person doing the resenting. Maybe if you were talking about bullies I'd be on the same page.

In general I acknowledge that humans are f****d up in general. I don't think there is anything especially 'normal' about them, but you can't rule out a single person from this equation.

Good point. I think there is a tendency for us people in the minority to unfairly demonize individuals who subscribe to the majority ideal. It’s hard to avoid becoming a prejudiced misanthrope when you constantly feel alone and ostracized in the presence of the majority.

What hurts the most is not the type but to see that most people consider this type an ideal to strive for.

superhuman?

He is just another sad result of modernity - he is just another sheep in the flock.

I rather be on the outside looking in.