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11 Apr 2008, 6:00 pm

I can tell you that not all Aspies are like this. I'm not.

I can remember when Steve Irwin died, and they had that huge public memorial. I cried when his little daugter gave her speech. When she said the words "My daddy is the best in the world, and when I see an alligator I'll think of him," I damn near lost it.

One of my co-workers had a very risky heart operation, and she is currently on life-support with a million+ dollar hospital bill. I am terribly upset. She had just gotten married, and one of our cashiers was their best man and a close friend, and when I was talking to him about the situation, I could tell he was having a hard time speaking because he was so upset. I told my other co-worker about this and I then started tearing up over that.


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11 Apr 2008, 6:01 pm

i hope your co worker gets better soon


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11 Apr 2008, 6:01 pm

CowboyFromHell wrote:
I can tell you that not all Aspies are like this. I'm not.

I know not all Aspies are like that. I don't like the harmful stereotype of the unfeeling, uncaring Aspie. It's just that my empathy issues have been bothering me for a while now.


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11 Apr 2008, 6:21 pm

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aww poor car

stick by the old girl

lol i just realized i have hi jacked the topic oh well :lol:


LOL!! Crimebabe & Greyhound have just demonstrated the thread topic to a 'T' ! ! :lol:


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11 Apr 2008, 6:45 pm

I was surfing the web for links between Asperger's Syndrome and Myers-Briggs personality types and I found this interesting alternative view about empathy for people with autism.


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Folk psychology: When looking at the other end of the spectrum, we have the ENFJ, ESFJ, ENTP and the ENFP (perceivers). Those types could be extremely perceptive, they possess by nature the ability what is called "folk psychology", they are good at showing empathy. There are well equipped to do professional conventional medicine or nursery because to these standards one is required to "empathize" with the client but as soon as one leaves the working place forget about the patient; this is the difference with the "autistic", once they empathized, they carry the "patient" with them. According to the definition of empathy, real empathy is not showing, but having it. We could therefore make a reverse conclusion: People with the autistic spectrum do have empathy, it is just not what is perceived in "folk psychology" as having it. This is one of the reasons those people are usually very sensitive to their direct social environment.


Its a homeopathic website which makes me wary but...I do feel bad for people when bad things happen to them, especially if I know them, and I'll brood over it for awhile. Someone in an unfortunate situation can ruin my day and can continue ruining it for a few more because I keep thinking about it. But I doubt I am effective in communicating how I feel to the person I feel bad for (can't show empathy), so I would have to agree with what is said above. So I'm capable of empathy, it is just internalized and I'm bad at showing it.



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11 Apr 2008, 7:00 pm

I've lost two very special people, one was my godfather when I was about 12 a total out of the blue massive heart attack. I think I was sad...but I didn't feel it, I didn't feel anything, I didn't cry or show any real emotion and everyone just said it was because my mum was effected so badly.
Then my Nana- my great grandma died last year she was 93 and really ill but I didn't cry or anything.
I miss them I think, but in the same way I miss people I haven't seen for a while, its like the connection is broken.

On the other hand I can get super upset about some things, we hit a pheasant once in the car and I couldn't stop crying and I went fishing once and the hook got caught in the fishes throat and it died and I cried a lot.



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11 Apr 2008, 7:11 pm

I'm a bit of a mix, myself -- I do feel things very intensely, so when I hear sad news, I actually "wait and see" to kind of balance my response. I get so bent out of shape about loss and change and tragedy, I have to pick and choose my attachments, or I spend all my time in tears and emotional turmoil. When someone is diagnosed tentatively or is getting over something, I have to withhold a bit, so I don't go over the top over nothing.

In the past, I've felt awful about not responding "appropriately" and I've gotten such crap from people for not being as distraught as they were over events. But that's just how I am.

Greyhound, maybe you're the same way?

Selectively distressed? I think of it as emotional self-management.

Then again, sometimes I really just don't care. I only have so much energy for NT-intersecting life.



12 Apr 2008, 2:50 am

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I have learned in my teen years what to say when people tell me a bad thing like if someone in their family has died, or their pet, etc. I say "I'm sorry."


I've heard the "I'm sorry" response before and still can't understand why people say that. I can't understand why you should apologise unless you personally caused the "bad thing" to happen.

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For politeness? I guess it lets that person know how much you care about him/her. I do it because I want to be nice.



12 Apr 2008, 3:01 am

I must have read greyhound's post wrong. I thought it was about being upset about people dying in general instead of family dying or people you know well.



I didn't feel sad when my grandfather died.

Anyways when my dad told me one day when I was at work, I was surprised. i didn't even get upset. I think I was in shock because I didn't feel anything. I knew he was going to die but I didn't know when he would. I wasn't expecting he die that weekend. I went out to Montana to see my family and my whole family was there, and we did the memorial service and I didn't even cry but my aunt Mary did, my cousin Meridith, and my mother cried too and I found out other people were crying too during it. Was it just me that lacked empathy or is that normal for everyone when an elderly dies, they don't feel sad at all?

My mother told me it was because he was old, he couldn't do anything, he was very weak, couldn't do things anymore like he used to do and his memory was gone. He needed care 24/7. He wasn't himself like he was when I was a kid. So it was a relief when he passed away, it meant he had a good life and he was ready to go. I would be ready to die too if my life was that way as an elderly .



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12 Apr 2008, 7:43 am

Andyb wrote:
crimebabe wrote:
aww poor car

stick by the old girl

lol i just realized i have hi jacked the topic oh well :lol:


LOL!! Crimebabe & Greyhound have just demonstrated the thread topic to a 'T' ! ! :lol:

In what way?

By the way, I do care about people, I just don't feel so much in my heart maybe?

I mean, I loved helping people in my jobs etc. I would go out of my way to do it and I did feel for them (e.g. if they were elderly/blind etc.), but...hang on wait, I just thought - maybe apart from some things I have like a 'flat rate' empathy, whereas for others the empathy goes up and down accordingly. Or maybe not. I don't know.

Oh, and I feel worse about a car being crushed than reading in a newspaper about a seriously ill child. That can't be good. I know the child situation is worse than the car situation, and although I feel worse in my head, it's not felt as much in my heart. Does that make any sense? :?

I'll have to think about this some more...


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13 Apr 2008, 10:20 pm

Lunar-Lander wrote:
Spokane_Girl wrote:


I have learned in my teen years what to say when people tell me a bad thing like if someone in their family has died, or their pet, etc. I say "I'm sorry."


I've heard the "I'm sorry" response before and still can't understand why people say that. I can't understand why you should apologise unless you personally caused the "bad thing" to happen.

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That's something I've found irritating too, but you can't really tell someone that, considering they ARE trying to care.




I can understand and empathise with most peoples emotions, but physical harm is hard to understand. It's just weird imagining that another is feeling pain due to some physical harm. I know they are, but something just doesn't click about it.



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14 Apr 2008, 12:15 am

I still don't understand much about what true empathy actually is. I know I've experienced it for people and animals, but I know there are times when I should have felt something but didn't, and times when I should've showed that I felt something but didn't know how.

When people I know get hurt, for example, I want to help if I can. But even if I fully understand their pain (mabe not since I'm hyposensitive to pain) I don't feel anything for them or any desire to commiserate with them. I just want to help. If I can't help, and their wound isn't serious, I ignore them because that's what I'd want if no one could actually make it better. The same idea can be applied to emotional pain. I don't want people to feel sad any more than I'd want them to be injured. But if I don't know how to fix the problem, I treat them the same way I'd want to be treated, and leave them alone. I guess I kind of show my own empathy by not showing empathy, if that makes any sense. I don't know what else to do, or if I have some idea of what may be expected, I don't know what to say or how to say it except for "That sucks" or "I'm so sorry" depending on the situation. I usually don't feel anything at all unless I really really identify with both the person and the experience. I usually don't presume to put myself in the shoes of someone I don't know well, because I understand that I wouldn't experience it the same anyway.

Animals are much easier to understand than people, so they're also much easier to help when they are hurt or distressed. I think that's possibly why I'm able to show more empathy with them, and bond with them easily. I know how to make animals feel happy and comfortable. People, not so much.



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14 Apr 2008, 12:30 am

I feel more empathy for all creatures, with wet, black noses (animals of all breeds and sizes), than I feel for most people. :O)


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14 Apr 2008, 1:15 am

I have for the longest time considered myself to be a monster because I was unaffected by other people's news of health scares, financial disasters, brushes with death, or even death itself. At least recently I can start to acknowledge that I'm not a monster in that regard :wink:

What I have found, however, is a sort of panic when I attempt to contemplate the death of individuals who provide some sort of support. Or someone who, if they suddenly perished, would cause a lot of upheaval and change in my life.

On the other hand, I am still trying valiantly not to joke about death as it is never quite as funny to others as it is to me.



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22 Apr 2008, 1:31 pm

Jaded wrote:
I have for the longest time considered myself to be a monster because I was unaffected by other people's news of health scares, financial disasters, brushes with death, or even death itself. At least recently I can start to acknowledge that I'm not a monster in that regard :wink:

What I have found, however, is a sort of panic when I attempt to contemplate the death of individuals who provide some sort of support. Or someone who, if they suddenly perished, would cause a lot of upheaval and change in my life.

On the other hand, I am still trying valiantly not to joke about death as it is never quite as funny to others as it is to me.


A small confession here: I had to supress a fit of laughter at my father's funeral. It wasn't that I was happy he was gone, I just had thought of a joke I knew he would have liked.

Has anyone else noticed that a lot of posts in this thread mention that their responses to events are the opposite of what you might consider normal?

I thought I was the only one who broke down and cried over something like a tender moment in a movie but felt indifference when seeing a perceived injustice!


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22 Apr 2008, 1:52 pm

My empathy levels seem to vary. The only way I truely feel empathy is if I've undergone the same/similar experience, and I get a kinda similar feeling if I try to understand how the person's experience would feel to me if I underwent it. If I don't try to do that I usually don't feel anything, though there have been exceptions.