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15 Apr 2008, 11:04 pm

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There are still hippies!? Show me where. I heard Hippie chicks put out.

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They are all old and have gray hair. :lol:


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15 Apr 2008, 11:19 pm

I am often mistaken for a hippie, even though I don't really concider myself to be one...at least not by the stereotype I think of when I think of hippies.

When referred to as being a hippie, it is usually done derogatorilly by some manner of elitist hip-ster...because I don't conform to a specific gendre...(and maybe because I don't shave :wink: )...

anywhoo.....I might have owned a pair of Birkenstocks or two.....I might occasionally wear a long flowy dress...
BUT i do not like the Greatful Dead...I do not smoke pot....the idea of free love makes me queasy....i only will wear a tie dye if it is in muted earth tones....blah blah blah....

my mom came of age during that era...and she looked the part..but always felt like an outsider



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16 Apr 2008, 3:20 am

I agree with that totally. Hippies were just soooo laid back, I think I am reliving my younger days just a bit late!! !! :wink:



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16 Apr 2008, 3:25 am

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I am reading 'Promise of a Dream: Remenbering the Sixties' by Sheila Rowbotham, a British socialist feminist writer and historian, in which she remembers her life in the 1960s. She was born in 1943.

For years she had been regarded as stupid until she was accepted for a place at Oxford University to study history and literature, whereupon she was classed as clever. This left her "permanently perplexed by the arbitrary nature of what was defined as 'intelligence'."

Although more involved with socialist groups in London, she was on the fringes of the counter-culture, the hippie scene. She used cannabis and occasionally LSD. She writes about her experiences with acid. "Each time it brought some insights I valued. Acid stripped away many of the socially acquired buffers and reminded you of the wonder of the ordinary. It intensified for me the capacity to see beauty in details which my eye would normally have lazily passed over, and it deconstructed the customary".

She writes that "in rejecting the ways of 'straight' culture, hippies surreptiously introduced implicit conventions of their own. Exclusivity and hierachy appeared and were policed with the sneering snobbery of 'cool'."

In 1967 she became friends with Lawrence, an American guy who was a surfer from California and a draft dodger. They travelled to Spain and Morocco together. Later that year he returned to the USA. He was arrested in Hawaii and put in prison for refusing to serve in Vietnam. When he refused to eat he was put in a strait-jacket and kept in jail under observation for a month; being diagnosed as "a chronic schizophrenic manifested by severe hallucinations, loose associations and autistic behaviour."

I would guess that there were autistics who were part of, or on the fringes of, the hippie scene in the 1960s or later, as a place where they could be accepted for their differences, where they could fit in.


Hell, if I had been born in 1949 instead of 1979 you can better believe I'd be involved somehow in the 60s countercutlure :afro:

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16 Apr 2008, 1:55 pm

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There's a term that I apply to certain (by no means all) Churchie type people. the term is "The Smugness of Piety". This also applies to other social groups with an elitist attitude and, in my experiences with the counter culture, it was painfully obvious that contrary to their stated lack of hierarchy, they had their own groups of "cool kids" that most of them wanted to belong to. Once they got into the work force and acquired property they were as quick as anyone to put up No Tresspassing signs and enact code enforcement statutes to protect property values. So much for the "do your own thing" and "antimaterialistic" crap that they spewed. While there are some that I have known and liked from that milieu I find most of them to be tiresome hypocrites. And I live next to one of their major centers - Marin County California.


I have noticed the same thing. There is hierarchy in every social group and every group of people has its set of unwritten, unspoken rules. Counterculture groups are no exception, and you can't go anywhere without finding hypocrites (after all, everyone is a hypocrite to some extent).

However, I have found that on the "fringes of society" it is easier to find people who are less judgmental. Many of these people with whom I happen to get along do not belong to a specific subculture but could be labeled "counter-cultural" in a general sense if one were to use that kind of classification system. I tend to get along with people who are "outsiders". That means that they do not fit into mainstream society or any other large social group, usually due to persistent independent thinking, and not due to an conscious effort to appear different.

So in a sense, I agree with both you and the OP, and in a sense, I disagree with both of you. My experiences lie somewhere in between, perhaps in a different category altogether. I don't have any friends or associates who call themselves hippies, but the term holds many different meanings, depending on who you talk to.



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16 Apr 2008, 2:04 pm

The Sixties were a difficult time for me, because the hippie movement (do your own thing) came at the same time that I was being intensely behavior modified (think B. F. Skinner) to conform to "reality" and "society", at least my parents' version of it (which was the only legitimate version as far as they and the Behavior Modifiers were concerned), and here were these people going around proclaiming a different version which I found very very attractive. I was too young to be a hippie and by the time I was more or less old enough to be one they had pretty much been replaced by yuppies. I wasn't into the drugs and the random sex (still am not) but their eccentric creativity and sense of fun really appealed to me. Needless to say they were terribly subversive and a bad influence on this unstable mind.



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16 Apr 2008, 2:12 pm

The definition of hippie, hipster, emo, etc. keeps changing, and it means different things to different people.

I live in a place where a hippie is pretty much anybody who's not Southern Baptist. I live about halfway between Dallas and Lubbock, and we're second only to Idaho as far as being conservative goes.


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16 Apr 2008, 3:04 pm

Odin wrote:
Willard wrote:
There are still hippies!? Show me where. I heard Hippie chicks put out.

Snootchie Bootchies


They are all old and have gray hair. :lol:


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16 Apr 2008, 4:50 pm

Oh, I forgot to mention an AS-related thing about interacting with hippies:

Often, they do not like my "energy". It turns out that although "energy" is supposed to be some fancy spiritual thing, a lot of people who are "tuned in to people's energy" actually use the term to refer to non-verbal communication, whether they are aware of this or not.



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16 Apr 2008, 5:06 pm

I went through a hippie phase, when I was in High School. Get it? High School! :lol:


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17 Apr 2008, 12:30 am

EvilKimEvil wrote:
So in a sense, I agree with both you and the OP, and in a sense, I disagree with both of you. My experiences lie somewhere in between, perhaps in a different category altogether. I don't have any friends or associates who call themselves hippies, but the term holds many different meanings, depending on who you talk to.


In my experiences growing up in N. California, the term "Hippie" was most often used by people other than those who were considered Hippies. My older cousins, and my Aunts college students who were part of that scene generally referred to themselves as "Freaks" on those rare occasions where self identification came into the discussion. And I do agree that the term Hippie is a very subjective one. :)



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17 Apr 2008, 12:32 am

EvilKimEvil wrote:
Oh, I forgot to mention an AS-related thing about interacting with hippies:

Often, they do not like my "energy". It turns out that although "energy" is supposed to be some fancy spiritual thing, a lot of people who are "tuned in to people's energy" actually use the term to refer to non-verbal communication, whether they are aware of this or not.



Could be part of the reason my (very AS-ish) mom always felt so out of place among them...even though she looked the part, acted teh part, dressed the part etc...well into the 70's...she even had teh stereotypical "commune in Ohio" experience..determined that if these weren't her people nobody was...I reckon...

I have had misunderstandings with every walk of counter culture I have crossed paths with where there was any level of pretentiousness involved.
Nuff sed.

Edt....ho! the term "freak"... :) Flakey (who astheticly really looks like a stereotypical hippy..hence the reason we are always being called Hippies)....is fond of correcting the people quick to put that label on us by saying that we are actually "Art freaks"....(though i don't really think of myself as that)...I don't really have a label i put on myself, but tounge-in-cheekly call myself a "Bohemian"....because my family is Bohemia(Czech).....labels labels labels....geeze.....I should not care if people DO call me a hippy...even if it is tossed around in such a derogatory fashion it seems....and even though we do not really fit in with the folk who actually refer to themselves as such.....................bah...



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17 Apr 2008, 12:58 am

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Edt....ho! the term "freak"... :) Flakey (who astheticly really looks like a stereotypical hippy..hence the reason we are always being called Hippies)....is fond of correcting the people quick to put that label on us by saying that we are actually "Art freaks"....(though i don't really think of myself as that)...I don't really have a label i put on myself, but tounge-in-cheekly call myself a "Bohemian"....because my family is Bohemia(Czech).....labels labels labels....geeze.....I should not care if people DO call me a hippy...even if it is tossed around in such a derogatory fashion it seems....and even though we do not really fit in with the folk who actually refer to themselves as such.....................bah...


Bohemian seems like a good fit in this case. The costume pictures you posted in the costume thread are cool. :D



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17 Apr 2008, 3:25 am

I really wanted to be a beat and when I went to the Village for the first time there were long hairs every where and I was so disappointed. I had no idea who or what they were, they hadn't made the newspapers, yet.

Yeah we did refer to ourselves as "freaks", also long hairs, more often among those that called each other close, brother or sister and we even knew how to use first names. 8O There was a general sense of dress, which some are trying to pass off as our own conformity and it was, we weren't stupid either. It was a way to identify ourselves at a distance and when we did, it was a smile and a flash of the peace sign. And yeah there were jerks among us too. They didn't last long. I felt I fit and comfortably fit for the first time in my life.

It wasn't all fun and games, there was very real war going on, several. We were very often hated by the local cops and if you'd like stories about your basic civil rights being ignored, I'll oblige you. You hear about those that ducked the draft and that was cool. But did you know some went to prison for their beliefs as well? Yeah and my friend died shortly after getting out. Me I chickened out and just let them draft me. I gave away everything I owned, I did not expect to live through it.

I still hear fellow vets bitching about the hippies. If it hadn't been for the counter culture, their kids might very well be facing a draft and getting their asses sent to the Nam. But wake up people there is still a draft and you get sent to Iraq or Afghanistan.

I don't have a clue what is being passed as a hippie these days. Nor do I care. I expect they're very nice people on the whole.

Remind me sometime and I'll spin some Woodstock story's for ya. 8)


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17 Apr 2008, 5:12 am

Every time I hear the word "hippie", I cannot see anything but Cartman dressed as a "pest control" exterminator.



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17 Apr 2008, 6:54 am

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Every time I hear the word "hippie", I cannot see anything but Cartman dressed as a "pest control" exterminator.


Way to quote South Park!! ! :D


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