can anyone be aspie only for a while in their life?
Why would people think you have it, if you don't?
What reason do you have to be on this board if you are not on the spectrum?
Please do not read these questions in a confrontational context.
My theripst suggested this site to me and my parent pretty much "forced" me to get an account on this.
I know I have some sort of a social anxiety, and when I am uncomfortable I appear to have something like AS but I am not, it's only when I am uncomfortable. And besides, you can an NT and still have weird social quirks. So, I strongly don't believe in the diagnosis because it was created by people because they were insecure and tried to make other people feel bad about themselves.
Why would people think you have it, if you don't?
What reason do you have to be on this board if you are not on the spectrum?
Please do not read these questions in a confrontational context.
My theripst suggested this site to me and my parent pretty much "forced" me to get an account on this.
"Weird social quirks" can be traits of many different diagnoses, and they can also be completely normal. Everyone is socially quirky to some extent. I don't see what that has to do with the validity of the AS diagnostic category - there is a lot more to AS than social quirks. (Or maybe I understood your post wrong?)
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I like to think that I'm just like everyone else and my AS isn't obvious. However, people with whom I interact tell me just the opposite. They point out that I talk at length about my obsessions, avoid eye contact, don't engage in proper non-verbal communication, forget to social customs like saying "Hi!" "Goodbye" and "How are you?", have repetitive movements, don't talk much, talk too loudly or too quietly . . . Oh, the list goes on and on. And it's an "issue" in every possible context: school, work, socializing . . .
On one level, I accept that I have AS and even embrace it to some extent, but on another level, I don't want to be different in such a basic way. I want to be a fundamentally normal person who happens to have different interests and chooses to see reality slightly differently - because then it would be partially under my control and I could turn it off when necessary. But no. I'm an aspie 24/7 and I can't hide it and it's obvious that I've been that way all my life and it will never change.
Oh, and to answer the OP's question, I think that one could cease to qualify for an ASD DX by learning to act normal enough to hold a job, live independently, and have a normal social life. But some ASD traits would still be present because ASD's are defined as life-long conditions. If a person had ASD traits that came and went sporadically, that person would be diagnosed with something other than an ASD.
Why would people think you have it, if you don't?
What reason do you have to be on this board if you are not on the spectrum?
Please do not read these questions in a confrontational context.
My theripst suggested this site to me and my parent pretty much "forced" me to get an account on this.
"Weird social quirks" can be traits of many different diagnoses, and they can also be completely normal. Everyone is socially quirky to some extent. I don't see what that has to do with the validity of the AS diagnostic category - there is a lot more to AS than social quirks.
Explain then because I want to know what you think AS is.
If autism is a true spectrum that's based on "bad" to moving into "normal", then it'd follow that anyone with an ASD can improve as they develop. Some improve; some improve, go back to how they were, and then improve again; some don't improve.
The broader autistic phenotype is when it blurs into normal; many family members or relatives of diagnosed individuals show autistic-like traits, just not as severe as the diagnosed individual.
This is the definition that is used in the United States (from the DSM-IV):
[The following is from Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders: DSM IV]
(I) Qualitative impairment in social interaction, as manifested by at least two of the following:
(A) marked impairments in the use of multiple nonverbal behaviors such as eye-to-eye gaze, facial expression, body posture, and gestures to regulate social interaction
(B) failure to develop peer relationships appropriate to developmental level
(C) a lack of spontaneous seeking to share enjoyment, interest or achievements with other people, (e.g.. by a lack of showing, bringing, or pointing out objects of interest to other people)
(D) lack of social or emotional reciprocity
(II) Restricted repetitive & stereotyped patterns of behavior, interests and activities, as manifested by at least one of the following:
(A) encompassing preoccupation with one or more stereotyped and restricted patterns of interest that is abnormal either in intensity or focus
(B) apparently inflexible adherence to specific, nonfunctional routines or rituals
(C) stereotyped and repetitive motor mannerisms (e.g. hand or finger flapping or twisting, or complex whole-body movements)
(D) persistent preoccupation with parts of objects
(III) The disturbance causes clinically significant impairments in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.
(IV) There is no clinically significant general delay in language (E.G. single words used by age 2 years, communicative phrases used by age 3 years)
(V) There is no clinically significant delay in cognitive development or in the development of age-appropriate self help skills, adaptive behavior (other than in social interaction) and curiosity about the environment in childhood.
(VI) Criteria are not met for another specific Pervasive Developmental Disorder or Schizophrenia."
People who have been diagnosed with AS commonly have different sensory experiences than those without AS - most senses are amplified, and this may cause discomfort. Clumsiness is also extremely common among people with AS. So is Auditory Processing Disorder.
For the sake of comparison, here is the DSM-IV's definition of Social Phobia:
A. A marked and persistent fear of one or more social or performance situations in which the person is exposed to unfamiliar people or to possible scrutiny by others. The individual fears that he or she will act in a way (or show anxiety symptoms) that will be humiliating or embarrassing.
Note: In children, there must be evidence of the capacity for age-appropriate social relationships with familiar people and the anxiety must occur in peer settings, not just in interactions with adults.
B. Exposure to the feared social situation almost invariably provokes anxiety, which may take the form of a situationally bound or situationally predisposed Panic Attack. Note: In children, the anxiety may be expressed by crying, tantrums, freezing, or shrinking from social situations with unfamiliar people.
C. The person recognizes that the fear is excessive or unreasonable. Note: In children, this feature may be absent.
D. The feared social or performance situations are avoided or else are endured with intense anxiety or distress.
E. The avoidance, anxious anticipation, or distress in the feared social or performance situation(s) interferes significantly with the person's normal routine, occupational (academic) functioning, or social activities or relationships, or there is marked distress about having the phobia.
F. In individuals under age 18 years, the duration is at least 6 months.
G. The fear or avoidance is not due to the direct physiological effects of a substance (e.g., a drug of abuse, a medication) or a general medical condition and is not better accounted for by another mental disorder (e.g., Panic Disorder With or Without Agoraphobia, Separation Anxiety Disorder, Body Dysmorphic Disorder, a Pervasive Developmental Disorder, or Schizoid Personality Disorder).
H. If a general medical condition or another mental disorder is present, the fear in Criterion A is unrelated to it, e.g., the fear is not of Stuttering, trembling in Parkinson's dsease, or exhibiting abnormal eating behavior in Anorexia Nervosa or Bulimia Nervosa.
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