Argumentitiveness

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I love debating, but arguing I'm not so keen on.


There IS a difference, I swear!

I am AMAZED that you can do this while arguing. Must be pretty rare! I think most people (I'm very much like this) only can break things down accurately in a sensible debate. So in a way, an argument is really no different than a debate for you?

Thanks for sharing.

Hi Krex;

I am now going to argue.

Source: Simon & Schuster New World Dictionary of American English Third College Edition: 1) orig., proof or evidence 2) a reason or reasons offered for or against something 3) the offering of such reasons; REASONING (emphasis added) 4) discussion in which there is disagreement; dispute; debate 5) a short statement of subjuct matter, or a brief synopsis of a plot; summary

Yes, I know I'm anal, but the point stands. I see no negative context in arguing, although most do.

Also, questioning of authority is a sure sign of arrogance. I know because I've been told this many times. (grin)

Regards,

Nobs,
WP is a support forum [instead of just a general forum] so arguing isn't really widely used.
also,a strong belief in rules is common amongst people with ASDs,and as forums usually always have rules and forum manners,
it's possible that all of that is why arguing is less common here.

I avoid arguments if at all possible.

There's a classic Monty Python skit called "Argument Clinic", where people supposedly pay to be argued with.

Also it should be noted there's a difference between arguing (or debating or whatever you want to call it) and liking to argue. Given that there are other motivations for doing something besides liking it.

no there isn't!

Point taken...counter point...."Simon and Schuster are not the boss of society". I am taking into account that word meaning is inpregnated with "false" emotional conotations based on a majority of that societies belief that that is what the word "means". In my society..."arguement" is inpregnated with a judgemental tone. My society has given the word "arguemental/arguemntative" the emotional lable of...."trouble maker". Wasn't it the method of teaching prefered by Socrates? I think that bias is shown in the term.."playing devils advocate", doesn't get much more emotional then dragging one of their demi-gods into it. These types of arguements are best stated by Cartmen...."Respect my authority".

I think, when society understands that "reason" is suposed to be part of the deffinition of of arguement...and finding themselves at a disadvantage in their ability to use such a "tool" claim the argueing is "bad".

I don't like to argue, exactly, but I can't stand it when others fail to see reason and logic and I will stand my ground - sometimes in a very argumentative manner.

Flame and Mirrors topic

I think the word argument conjures up a host of visuals involving anger, yelling, and even violence. Rational debate is rare. I have seen baiting here, and taunting to provoke someone to almost lose it. I have read it in posts directed at me.

But I do not fall for it. I state my point; it is rare I will change my mind. If I ask for advice, then this is a different story. I will take all views and mull them through. I have ideas on most topics and I have come to conclusions that I find convincing and so do not need to change at the present. I also respect others' viewpoints. there are some very charged topics here (religion and politics) that attract all different positions. I read the different positions, but mostly this serves to cement my ideas.

There are other posters who, I think read posts and then use sarcasm and strong language to push their ideas, almost as if to make the point that their emotion laden words mean whatever they say is correct. I have also been told I am emotional when I take a stand and let them know that I am not here to change anyone's mind, not that I even could, but that not everyone is going to see the light and suddenly be converted to reason and logic. I was not always like this. I thought that if people could see common sense they would come to it. Not so. I told this to someone the other day on this site.

I no longer get into debates about very controversial topics because I am certainly not going to change the world. Months ago I presented ideas that were seen as idiotic. Things turned into a flame war. I said I did not want to just see anger, so I stated this and left the forum. It was totally unproductive. And I think the bottom line is that arguments that are emotionally laden or fueled by those who debate that way are simply best ended before there are problems.

I can think of better ways of spending time. Others may think the same way.

I have a bothersome tendency of arguing with people I like on a range of things because I like to test the ropes with them. See what they know and what they think they know, and help me question my own ideas. I call this "bothersome" because some people really don't like to argue and I think I've ruined a few possible friendships early on by doing this. I don't feel as comfortable doing this on the internet due to the dry nature of the medium.

Thank you Krex. Well put, and I wholehartedly agree, (most unlike me)

Dr. Atwood has theorized that autisim may well be an essential part of genius. I am inclined to agree because of a perceeved relative inability of NTs to separate themselves from their emotions. I am intrigued by your realization that there is a value based judgement where this is not appropriate. Dr. Robert Ballard, the guy who found the Titanic, in his autobiography alludes to this with regard to plate tectonics. In the '60's when the theory was first gaining credence, the PHDs of the day resisted any evidence to support the theory. Why? Because they had built their careers on a "vertical model" of geology. In essence they didn't want plate tectonics to be valid. Is this science? Of course not! The truth has little to do with what any of us would like it to be. It just is.

Regards,

I just realized I did not quote you, hartzofspace. You said what I said in fewer words.

I don't argue with people. :D
shut up, I don't.

I do not!

It depends on the person.

I'm usually fairly compromising with reasonable people. I'm always open to changing my position if someone gives me a good reason.

People who are so certain of themselves and refuse to admit they are ever wrong annoy me. You know that personality type.