Some people just want to free us from the prison of our mind

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11 May 2008, 9:21 am

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Funny.I'm autistic and i was never "locked in".

Sometimes people just don't realize whats right in front of them.^^


Thats certainly a better way of puting it. Have you ever had the feeling you are only communicating and understanding so much in a social context?


Yes.

Don't they ever look at a person and just kind of know what's going on inside their head?


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11 May 2008, 9:22 am

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Now that's just f*cking offensive. I am not "trapped within the prison of my mind."


Neither am I. I have the most freest mind of everyone that I know.


:roll: (but without the smirk at the end)

This is awful offensive. I bet the artist thought that people on the spectrum don't have feelings and we can't be offended.

"before time runs out"?
Are they assuming this is fatal or something?


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11 May 2008, 9:24 am

As an aside: I've been "locked" in my mind many times throughout my life, unable to interact with others; it's terrible, wanting to talk, but being unable to get the words out.

When I was younger, and with a cognitive delay; I can't remember it at all, but as I developed mentally, I was, and still am locked in this shell, unable to interact with others.



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11 May 2008, 9:26 am

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AS and AUTISM can be quite isolating,
i also add this to my last explanation.


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11 May 2008, 9:26 am

demoluca wrote:
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Funny.I'm autistic and i was never "locked in".

Sometimes people just don't realize whats right in front of them.^^


Thats certainly a better way of puting it. Have you ever had the feeling you are only communicating and understanding so much in a social context?


Yes.

Don't they ever look at a person and just kind of know what's going on inside their head?


Exactly, i allways thought they should somehow know what was in my head. Seems, sadly not.



11 May 2008, 9:28 am

What prison?

Well they mean in their own world, no communication, they don't seek with other people is what.



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11 May 2008, 9:33 am

Hashberry wrote:
demoluca wrote:
Hashberry wrote:
demoluca wrote:
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Funny.I'm autistic and i was never "locked in".

Sometimes people just don't realize whats right in front of them.^^


Thats certainly a better way of puting it. Have you ever had the feeling you are only communicating and understanding so much in a social context?


Yes.

Don't they ever look at a person and just kind of know what's going on inside their head?


Exactly, i allways thought they should somehow know what was in my head. Seems, sadly not.


:roll:

Not like that.Yo misunderstood.Never mind.


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11 May 2008, 9:36 am

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Not like that.Yo misunderstood.Never mind.


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11 May 2008, 9:36 am

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As an aside: I've been "locked" in my mind many times throughout my life, unable to interact with others; it's terrible, wanting to talk, but being unable to get the words out.


Ahhh, I see. It all depends on how you define 'being locked in one's mind'.

I understand it like being fully capable but being not in contact with the world at all. I imagine that to someone locked in their mind - if this were a real person who is locked in their mind - the world of senses does not exist.

I cannot imagine a being that is at no point connected to the world, but still exist.

But if you define the term like you did, then it makes a difference.


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11 May 2008, 9:39 am

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Not like that.Yo misunderstood.Never mind.


:?:


what?

oh..

um...

sorry.I thought you meant something else.


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11 May 2008, 9:48 am

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The people who're lamenting at the imagery and applying themselves to it: how many of you are diagnosed with Autistic Disorder, and how many of you were and are socially unresponsive to people as a child, and perhaps as an adult (the latter is rare, the former is common)?

A mother whose son doesn't interact with her (other than pure mechanical interaction), doesn't show her affection, and will most likely be reliant on her for much of his life; do you not see how this mother could be upset?

It doesn't say "Asperger's" (children with Asperger's interact well with their family, and show affection in the majority of cases).

As a child, I was thought to be MR/DD. (Autism is not well-known here, or at least wasn't when I was younger) I had speech and cognitive delays, so strictly speaking (by DSM-IV criteria) a proper diagnosis for me would be Autistic Disorder rather than Asperger's Syndrome. I was quite socially unresponsive to people as a child. Drove my second-grade teacher nearly insane because she couldn't get ANY response out of me. She thought I hated her personally, and my mother had to explain to her that that's how I was with everyone. Also, IRL I STILL don't communicate very well verbally. I have difficulty expressing myself in such a context.

Much of the offense I take to this image is the crude scare-mongering they're pulling. Also, what "time is running out?" Autism isn't fatal.


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11 May 2008, 10:20 am

Hmm. I always found the NT world to be the prison, complete with abusive guards and sadistic wardens. My mind is the one escape that allows me freedom from the oppression of people who insist on torturing me with their insistent, pointless attempts to communicate absolute drivel. Maybe the children of Autism Speaks' parents just don't want to talk to THEM.



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11 May 2008, 11:04 am

This ad obviously refers to the severely autistic, who actually are trapped like prisosners in their own minds. Deaf, dumb, and mute. No input, no output. But the mind is a prison. In so many ways it can trap you. So many mental constructs produce misery and suffering. So many harmful attachments.

Yea, a host of demons dwell here. Anorexia and Substance Abuse aare but two of them. Both the causes and effects of these reside in the mind-scape. Buddhism has a lot to say about mental defilements, causes, condition, effect, etc. Everyone knows what I'm talking about here.

Willard, I'm looking at you.



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11 May 2008, 11:10 am

I have a pass from the Warden...;)

Only my mouth keeps me in here...;)



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11 May 2008, 11:17 am

Danielismyname wrote:
A mother whose son doesn't interact with her (other than pure mechanical interaction), doesn't show her affection, and will most likely be reliant on her for much of his life; do you not see how this mother could be upset?


Can a mother, or father, who views her child in the way pictured, as if autism was a prison that in a magical way somehow holds her real child, really accept her child? And can she, while not accepting her child truly love and care that child.

The image is not about them being upset, but about rejecting their child.

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... I've been "locked" in my mind many times throughout my life, unable to interact with others; it's terrible, wanting to talk, but being unable to get the words out.


But that is about you being unable to interact with outside you. The image depicts you holding your mum's real child prisoner, keeping it from interacting.



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11 May 2008, 11:18 am

slowmutant wrote:
This ad obviously refers to the severely autistic, who actually are trapped like prisosners in their own minds. Deaf, dumb, and mute. No input, no output. But the mind is a prison. In so many ways it can trap you. So many mental constructs produce misery and suffering. So many harmful attachments.

Yea, a host of demons dwell here. Anorexia and Substance Abuse aare but two of them. Both the causes and effects of these reside in the mind-scape. Buddhism has a lot to say about mental defilements, causes, condition, effect, etc. Everyone knows what I'm talking about here.

Willard, I'm looking at you.


Then look at this finger, it's rife with social cues (and just a hint of 'defilement' - if that's even a word).

BTW, dumb and mute are the same thing. And just because an LFA doesn't talk to you does not mean they're deaf.

The thread is about the bigoted attitudes behind the symbolism of a specific ad, not an encouragement to wax pseudo-philosophical about what you perceive to be other people's "demons". Sheesh, who are you, Jesus or what? No wait, Jesus wasn't judgmental, you must be Paul of Tarsus.

Oh, Buddhism also has a lot to say about the pointless stupidity of taking yourself too seriously.