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23 May 2008, 6:34 pm

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i think some people think that AS=violent tendencies where in fact there is no link.


Well there is probably an indirect link... I can get pretty violent when I'm having a meltdown. However when it comes to intentional malicious violence there is defiantly no link.


I tend to agree with others here, in that any violence associated with being on the spectrum, is usually in relation to meltdowns.

I once had the unfortunate experience of getting in the way of a young autistic boy's meltdown. I was coming into the door of a medical clinic, and he was apparently in the middle of sensory overload. He was standing near the door as I was entering, flailing his fists around and crying. I got punched in the chest a few times. Needless to say, I was startled and frightened, but I could see that this kid wasn't even focused on me or anything else, and was equally punching the door and the walls. His mother was standing by, looking distressed and helpless. When I looked at her, she said, "Sorry! He's autistic."


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23 May 2008, 8:10 pm

hartzofspace wrote:
The_Cucumber wrote:
tweety_fan wrote:
i think some people think that AS=violent tendencies where in fact there is no link.


Well there is probably an indirect link... I can get pretty violent when I'm having a meltdown. However when it comes to intentional malicious violence there is defiantly no link.


I tend to agree with others here, in that any violence associated with being on the spectrum, is usually in relation to meltdowns.

I once had the unfortunate experience of getting in the way of a young autistic boy's meltdown. I was coming into the door of a medical clinic, and he was apparently in the middle of sensory overload. He was standing near the door as I was entering, flailing his fists around and crying. I got punched in the chest a few times. Needless to say, I was startled and frightened, but I could see that this kid wasn't even focused on me or anything else, and was equally punching the door and the walls. His mother was standing by, looking distressed and helpless. When I looked at her, she said, "Sorry! He's autistic."


WOW what an unusual coincidence! Still, that is technically not violent since, as you said, there was no intent. It is almost like the time a kid tried to trigger a reflex in my leg, and ended up getting kicked. And AS/Autism is certainly not the only case where such an incident can happen. Other cases are ones like tourettes, driving a car, or shopping. I have been hit more while shopping than in any other case, Driving and NT kids at school are probably a distant second and third.



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23 May 2008, 10:22 pm

I was violent when I was younger, but I don't think it was Asperger's. I had a short temper as a child; I still get hot sometimes, but I have learned to deal with it. In my case, I don't consider it unfair when others consider me a potential threat - it shows a good awareness. Harming others isn't my style, but neither is allowing myself or my loved ones to come to harm. My general interpretation is that people who feel threatened are usually up to no good, but I don't read people very well.


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25 May 2008, 4:52 am

I always resort to violence pretty quickly when driven into a corner. I usually wear something with studs or spikes on it, so I can make pretty ugly wounds if anyone asks for it.

the worst I've ever done was the smashing the nose of a nazi in. the blood from his bald ugly head was all over the place.

I've never felt regret of this. they want to be cool in front of their lame friends. they want to see what happens to me when threatened. I show them.



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25 May 2008, 12:38 pm

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Does anyone know how much chronic depression increases the probability of violent behavior, and how much less likely someone on the spectrum is to be violent compared to the average person, all things being equal, as well as if they are chronically depressed?


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28 May 2008, 4:28 am

Zwerfbeertje wrote:
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It seems to be that they are seen as interconnected in certain social groups.


You are doing the same thing as that what you complain about, you complain about aspies being seen as violent and proceed to spread similar mud about other groups.
Where did I complain about aspies being violent? And how is linking an article by a Ph. D. spreading mud?



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28 May 2008, 4:33 am

from being bullied i frequently had outbursts for like a year. i was trying a new medication so i would let my feelings out more (lesson learned)



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28 May 2008, 4:33 am

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There just is no evidence to support the belief that people who are depressed are violent to anyone but themselves. I am not saying there are not exceptions but in general depression is seen as "anger turned inwards".
Wouldn't exceptions be evidence? What I'm wondering is if, in the case of depression and other co-morbid conditions, their impact may override what's perceived (no literature on it atm afaik) as a social group who isn't as predisposed toward violent actions.
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As far as the other co-morbids....there are some who have a lot of anger issues from being abused or sensory over loads or inability to read NVC leading to perceived threats from others. Some of the frustration may end in violence but I don't see it as an AS thing as NT's have the same issues (except the NVC) .
I'm not really concerned about rxcluding shared conditions, because clearly the co-morbid conditions aren't limited solely to those on the spectrum, and am interested in how much more or less likely someone on the spectrum is to be violent including any natural tendencies associated with it and the impact of those co-morbid conditions.



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28 May 2008, 4:35 am

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To be honest, I'd quite readily say there is NO connection between Aspergian nature and innate tendencies toward violence.
Any sources? Also, I'm not concerned about only innate tendencies, but the concerted influence of whatever proportion of co-morbid conditions influence behavior as well.



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28 May 2008, 4:37 am

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Dude...sorry but that guy is in Invader Zim!! !
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28 May 2008, 6:17 am

yesplease wrote:
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To be honest, I'd quite readily say there is NO connection between Aspergian nature and innate tendencies toward violence.
Any sources? Also, I'm not concerned about only innate tendencies, but the concerted influence of whatever proportion of co-morbid conditions influence behavior as well.

I'm my own source.
I get REALLY bugged by the fascination of people with "sources" or "citations". Like somehow rehashing what someone else has said makes it any more valid. I only acknowledge empirical evidence and logical deduction; not hinging an argument on someone else's credibility.

That said... since you asked.... and I'm fairly sure I answered well enough at the time: I don't have many tendencies towards aggression or violence that are NOT caused by conflicts of modus operandum with mundies. The pattern of potential input and result has led me to believe that the cause for any such aggression lies soley in that dissonance, and since similar appears to be the case from personal observation in inter-mundie interactions also.... it is not unreasonable to conclude that a higher rate of violence and aggression on our parts is due primarily to a higher rate of dissonance with those around us. In other words, a clashing of our modus operandi.



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28 May 2008, 12:27 pm

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to be honest, I'd quite readily say there is NO connection between Aspergian nature and innate tendencies toward violence.


Nah, that's not true.

I've been in more fights than I can recall. People used to point and whisper things when I went by in school after a while. Got so bad I had 4-5 people after me sometimes. Usualy with chains bats or knives. Even had a gun pulled a few times.

And I will venture to respectfully disagree with yesplease. Because I don't think even one of them were NOT caused by something having to do with asperger's. Things that shouldn't bother normal people made me lay people out in the street.



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28 May 2008, 2:24 pm

I was expelled from school and still am due to a misunderstanding. I want to make it clear that I am not depressed as someone may presume from this. I transferred to a new school after moving and I walk to and fro school. The second day I was there I was suspended for perceived stalking. The other kids (morons) thought that since they had not seen me before i was a sexual predator. No one believed me and I was expelled after peers lied that I was staring and making suggestive faces towards them. I have always had friends but that was when I went to a gifted scholl where everyone wasn't moronic.



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28 May 2008, 4:05 pm

Personally I have gotten urges to become violent before, but I've always had enough self control to not act on it. I've gotten in fights, though I don't like doing so, and I never want to intentionally hurt
somebody that has done nothing to me.



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29 May 2008, 2:22 am

SotiCoto wrote:
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To be honest, I'd quite readily say there is NO connection between Aspergian nature and innate tendencies toward violence.
Any sources? Also, I'm not concerned about only innate tendencies, but the concerted influence of whatever proportion of co-morbid conditions influence behavior as well.

I'm my own source.
I get REALLY bugged by the fascination of people with "sources" or "citations". Like somehow rehashing what someone else has said makes it any more valid. I only acknowledge empirical evidence and logical deduction; not hinging an argument on someone else's credibility.
It doesn't make it any more valid per say, but depending on the source it makes it more likely to be valid if ya know what I mean. That being said, providing a source allows everyone to judge it on it's merits. Unfortunately, I can't simply take your word that you only acknowledge empirical evidence and logical deduction, since, like everyone else, there's no guarantee you are your own objective observer. ;)
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That said... since you asked.... and I'm fairly sure I answered well enough at the time: I don't have many tendencies towards aggression or violence that are NOT caused by conflicts of modus operandum with mundies. The pattern of potential input and result has led me to believe that the cause for any such aggression lies soley in that dissonance, and since similar appears to be the case from personal observation in inter-mundie interactions also.... it is not unreasonable to conclude that a higher rate of violence and aggression on our parts is due primarily to a higher rate of dissonance with those around us. In other words, a clashing of our modus operandi.
Could you quantify that? It all seems so... vague. :)