Reflection on William Freund

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I will remember William Freund and that many people here on this site tried to help him including myself too. For we will truly never know or understand him enough. This tragic event we always be with us and very much with me too. No matter what happens in the future. I hope I as I move on that I have learned enough that even I can help the next person better, for I will be taking suicide prevention courses very soon. For I think we may truly need someone that does have this expertise in handling suicide.

I think that all the people that tried to help William Freund, should not second guess themselves at all. Remember we are all just humans no matter what we did or did not do. We tried to help and that is what counts the most, that we did try are best. For that is matters the most as I see it.

AngeB, your words have moved me deeply. Although nothing can ever justify the death of three people, it is truly a blessing when something good can come out of something bad. Your attitude of care and your willingness to learn and your desire to help is very precious. Your going out into the world with an awareness of other people with Aspergers is an enourmous help; I have often experienced that 'the experts' trade in their compassion as soon as they get a formal education! Your response to these sad times has restored some of my faith in human kind, and I only hope that others can follow your lead. Thank you.

I just wanted to say- good job on your post, PhoenixKitten.

I have been to some funerals before but, I never saw debating going on.
I am sure that those touched by his loss will learn something from it to help overcome the pain.
Remember, there is help, don't be afraid to ask.

What was William Freund's Avatar?

I feel bad for William Freud. I remember people trying to help him out, and that (in my opinion) he still interpreted that he didn't have any friends. Maybe some aspies have trouble knowing if someone is their friend or not, since people with Asperger's tend to have trouble interacting with some people. This is of course depends how high-functioning the autism/Asperger's is. I remember in the past when I was confused and didn't know if I had friends. Maybe Will was confused as well, since so many people bullied him in middle school.

It looks like WrongPlanet isn't the only forum effected by Will's death...

Apparently, Will posted something on the SomethingAwful forums a little before his death.

WARNING: Crude language if you are offended by that kinda stuff for some reason

Don't know if this has already been posted. *Shrug*

PizzaDude

Good research there for sure. Even they are sacred too.

It looks like we are the only responsible forum out there. That SomethingAwful forum actually gave him advice on what kind of ammo to use. They are all trying to cover their backs on who gave him the advice first. It also looks like William was quite a forum addict - posting in quite a few places. I expect there is a similar thread on many more forums out there.

Hmmm.

Warchicken.... I wonder if hes the same moron from TAU....

(edit: That is from reading the SA forums.... Warchicken and I are LONG time enemies from www.tauniverse.com)

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Poor guy. He got really flamed:

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview ... y&arctab=y
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview ... y&arctab=y

Anyway. This is the LAST post I am gonna make on the subject. Let's hope this thing blows over.

no more Robert Frost, It depresses me more than Edgar Allan Poe

Actually, atypical/novel antipsychotics are fairly commonly used to treat various symptoms of ASDs. See:

Barnard L, Young AH, Pearson J, et al A systematic review of the use of atypical antipsychotics in autism. J Psychopharmacol 2002; 16:93-101.

Cohen SA. Fitzgerald BJ. Khan SR. Khan A. The effect of a switch to ziprasidone in an adult population with autistic disorder: chart review of naturalistic, open-label treatment. [Clinical Trial. Journal Article] Journal of Clinical Psychiatry. 65(1):110-3, 2004 Jan.

Barnard L. Young AH. Pearson J. Geddes J. O'Brien G. A systematic review of the use of atypical antipsychotics in autism. [Review] [52 refs] [Journal Article. Review. Review, Tutorial] Journal of Psychopharmacology. 16(1):93-101, 2002 Mar.

McDougle CJ. Scahill L. McCracken JT. Aman MG. Tierney E. Arnold LE. Freeman BJ. Martin A. McGough JJ. Cronin P. Posey DJ. Riddle MA. Ritz L. Swiezy NB. Vitiello B. Volkmar FR. Votolato NA. Walson P. Research Units on Pediatric Psychopharmacology (RUPP) Autism Network. Background and rationale for an initial controlled study of risperidone. [Review] [88 refs] [Journal Article. Review. Review, Tutorial] Child & Adolescent Psychiatric Clinics of North America. 9(1):201-24, 2000 Jan.

[etc.]

Regardless of this, though, I strongly agree with you--an ASD/PDD alone is unlikely to account for homicidal behavior. (Antipsychotics are my particular least favorite category of psychoactive pharmaceuticals, but that's another "bucket of worms," as they say, entirely.)

That's as much as I'm going to say about all of this--for one thing, I'm not qualified to say anything more. Additionally, I'm not well equipped psychologically to deal with potential "flame" responses. :\ (Potential post-Will Freund angry gawkers/bad-intentioned newbies is what I'm thinking of, here. And, no, I'm not implying that all those who will join on account of the Will Freund incident will have bad intentions.) Hmm--I met my fiancé here--maybe some sort of "really, really *good* "real-life situations for which WP is responsible" sticky is in order... (And, no, I am in no way attempting to trivialize the Will Freund incident by mentioning the above.)

--Jennifer

I couldn't recognize when someone genuinely liked me until recently.

I guess this all very sad for you guys, best of luck in getting over it?

One that extends a lot further back, to people justifying the unjustifyable in cruelty to handicapped people, cruelty to anyone who is different, cruelty to anything they don't understand.
RES

I think in time We all will be able to get over in Our Own Way.

The mental capacity that it takes to recognize that it is wrong to torture animals is not superior. It is barely enough to make one a real human being. A real-world working definition of a "bully" is someone who tortures another person, then gets them in trouble for fighting back. The person who he does it to catches the blame, the culpability, and then the one who assigns the blame feels that his or her duty has been discharged. It is that simple. I believe that the bullies want these shooting incidents to happen, just below the surface, just behind the scenes.

These people who commit murder/suicide are never the ones who initiated the game. They wouldn't play it. They don't really know how. The horrible irony is that violence isn't in their nature until it is forced in. They became vulnerable when they decide, way early in their lives, to develop their intelligence and act like human beings. It takes them a long time to understand that so many humans aren't like that. It's hard for someone to believe that so many of the humans they deal with fall below minimum standards of functional intelligence. Take note of the fact that I said "functional" intelligence. Intelligent is as intelligent does.