Would you die to save your mother's life?

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no

If we had this conversation on forum for NT people, we both would be e-lynched for saying things like that in few seconds The whole discussion would turn into harrasing us and calling us monsters

My mother constantly tried to ruin my life in every way possible. She did some terrible things to a lot of people in my family. But if she were alive today and she was in danger, I wouldn't hesitate to save her life. She was and is my Mother and for that reason alone, along as I'm alive (and she was alive...) then I would owe her my own life.

Despite how badly my mother tried to ruin my life, it's the only honorable way to live.

I'm not gonna lynch ya, but who the hell are you to say what anyone would do for another? I'm a selfish prick myself, all that jazz, but my bro's probably the only person I've ever had anything other than a "surface" relationship with, he's my f****n BROTHER. I don't know everything about you, but let me be truthful for a sec and suggest that you're playing up the "lack of empathy" thing to the hilt. You seem to enjoy pitting yourself against NTs here...

If you died saving your brother you couldn't even feel happiness because of it afterwards so I don't get it . If he died and you'd be alive, you'd feel sad and depressed but after some time you would be able to live normally. If you'd be dead you wouldn't feel anything.

I wouldn't do it for some "happiness" thing, or because I'd be sad if I didn't. I'd do it for something else. Not quite sure why.

Picturing my brother in a bad situation right now is causing me to tear up. I can't explain it, as I don't know *how* to get it through, but it has nothing to do with any logical thought process.

BTW, I appreciate you not taking offense at my previous post, pardon me for being an ass there.

An interesting moralistic question...

The most logical answer is that the parent should die so the children live on to spread the seed.

If I were to die in their place... I don't think they would be happy at all. Probably even want to die themselves at that point.

Best answer is no.
But in the spur of the moment, who the hell knows what I do.
If I was the parent, I would rather die than my child.

For me one human life is no more valuable than any other so its illogical to give my life for another's even if I love that person.

/likes living

Maybe it's because subconsciously you started to realize that in fact the chance your poor brother would be saved is small because you'd hesitate in that very moment because your natural instincts would be prevailing over your desire for helping him while risking your own life .



Remember one thing and carry it in your mind forever - expressing one's bad humor and being vulgar in public (irl or on forum) in one of the worst thing you can do because it simply indicates lack of control while ability to control oneself is one of the most valuable things in a human being. It makes you somebody superior to the common rabble that follows emotions not logic .

If a bus was coming at us and I knew that one of us had to die, for some reason I would push her out of the way. I am just that way in an emergency.

* I guess it does depend on if she's being mean and snotty that day, though.

But, no, seriously, in an emergency I stay calm and do what needs to happen.

Would she do the same? No. She'd panic and yell and push me in front of the bus. Then, later, she'd come to my grave to guilt trip me because she'd have to raise my kids.

I think my emotions would overcome my evolutionary logic and I would save her.

The point is that he saves his brother's life, that's it. It's a selfless act. To me at least, dying to save someone's life not a means to an end, it's an end in itself. It's part of what makes us human, and you can also see it in animals, eg. dying to protect a colony (however, they may or may not know they're going to die so I'm not so sure). To value your own life more than another's and calling it logical is just a cop-out. It's not about logic, it's about what you value. It simply means that you only do good if there's something in it for you, and I certainly don't think like that.

My answer:
Yes I would.


EDIT: That did come across sounding a bit judgemental, but I'll leave it how it is.

Exactly.

Just because something doesn't accomplish anything doesn't mean it's meaningless.

I guess some of us are just naturally more altruistic than others.

I wouldn't die for anyone, I have my children to live for.

But, if there was EVER going to be anyone I died for, it would be ANYONE but my mother

But the ability to sacrifice one's life for a colony has its source in logic itself, in pure biology indeed because here those animals should be perceived as parts of some mechanism (this mechanism is that mentioned colony or the whole species in general) and from the evolutionary point of view it doesn't matter what will happen to the particular "parts", their death was for the greater good as species could survive thanks to it.

This model of acting was later genetically rooted in humans' minds very deeply and owners of those minds appreciated it not realizing this biological basis of this simple phenomenon but perceiving it in the categories of some almost spiritual, divine (as if even the most noble feelings weren't only the result of substances produced by our brains)

And what do I value most? My own life. I wouldn't be able to feel nor experience anything through those hypothetical people saved by me, to live through them. Your dead body can't feel anything but when you're still alive you can imagine very vividly what your feelings would be like after your loved relative's death and those feelings don't belong to those pleasant not positive. So in your subconsciousness you take a decision that you'll do everything not to experience those negative feelings (by saving that person if such a need will ever occur) because human being longs only for nice sensations. So it's not about another person the whole thing is about in truth but about you, about which that strange dude JR didn't think - you don't want to feel sad after that person's death. Simple biological trap transmuted into sweet poison of more subtle, more socially approved explanations.

It's not as simple as avoiding negative feelings, Irulan. There are things I do on a daily basis to avoid a certain thing, I work in order to avoid looking like a lazy piece of sh1t, I hang out with certain people because they've grown accustomed to me, and expect it of me, even tho I don't like to hang out-I do it anyway. Given the choice, without the negative reprecussions I'd do many things differently, but not this. I do tons of sh1t to "impress" people, or to "show" something that I'm not, and really hate it, but this is not one of those things. This is different. Maybe I'm too dense to figure it out, don't really care either way, but this isn't explained by the cold logic you have in your head. I'll put it this way, I'll *possibly* put my life on the line for about 5 people, but only my brother would I do it willingly, without thought. Everyone else gets a second thought. I don't know, maybe you got a different/better explanation, for it. I don't have any, and really cannot relate your current one to the way I think/feel.