Do you find autistic people more annoying than others?

Page 2 of 3 [ 37 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next

Aurore
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 Dec 2007
Age: 33
Gender: Female
Posts: 1,187
Location: Virginia Tech

27 Jul 2008, 2:12 pm

corroonb wrote:

Pity is such an ugly emotion. As I have made abundantly clear elsewhere I think most emotions are invented by humans for specific often hostile purposes usually related to power and control. I have no use for such emotions and things I have no use for I sell on eBay. You are entitled to your opinion and I am not trying to be hostile.


Emotions were not invented by humans; love for example comes from an evolutionary drive. Our feelings come from our limbic system, and not from the cerebral cortex - i.e., it is something we did not invent and imagine.

One who has never had a real relationship or a real emotion can never understand how amazing it is. People who cannot feel these things simply assume that those who can are making them up. This is the same as a sociopath assuming everyone else is just faking having a conscience. When truly the nonfeeler is 'impaired' (well, I don't think so, but society probably does).

That sucks for them. They don't realize it sucks because they don't know what emotion is. When really they are missing out on what constitutes nearly the entirety of human experience.

Or, it sucks for 'us', because we feelers probably don't know the pleasure of a straightforward intellectual approach.


_________________
?Evil? No. Cursed?! No. COATED IN CHOCOLATE?! Perhaps. At one time. But NO LONGER.?


corroonb
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 28 Oct 2007
Age: 40
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,377
Location: Ireland

27 Jul 2008, 3:24 pm

You have misunderstood me. I do not deny that I have emotions. I feel happy, sad, angry etc, I just choose not to act on my emotions. If I want sex, I will try to seduce a woman I am attracted to. If I want "love", I will try to make friends with her. I just prefer to behave for a reason and not for emotion. People tend to assume that emotions are as good a reason for doing something as logic. I don't share these assumptions. I understand the evolutionary argument for emotion but emotion in this theory is utilitarian, it serves a distinct purpose. In my view emotions have no objective existence and must be characterised as a form of delusion. If one's emotions lead to suicide or murder, then the justification for such emotions seem debatable.

Sociopaths usually have strong emotions I would imagine. Why would they want to hurt others otherwise? They feel intense hate or anger and these are the only emotions they know so they claim that they feel nothing. Their actions are clearly guided by emotion, rather than cognition. Serial killers usually gain nothing from their acts but are compelled to continue by their emotions.

All IMO as usual.



Aurore
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 Dec 2007
Age: 33
Gender: Female
Posts: 1,187
Location: Virginia Tech

27 Jul 2008, 3:30 pm

corroonb wrote:
You have misunderstood me. I do not deny that I have emotions. I feel happy, sad, angry etc, I just choose not to act on my emotions. If I want sex, I will try to seduce a woman I am attracted to. If I want "love", I will try to make friends with her. I just prefer to behave for a reason and not for emotion. People tend to assume that emotions are as good a reason for doing something as logic. I don't share these assumptions. I understand the evolutionary argument for emotion but emotion in this theory is utilitarian, it serves a distinct purpose. In my view emotions have no objective existence and must be characterised as a form of delusion. If one's emotions lead to suicide or murder, then the justification for such emotions seem debatable.

Sociopaths usually have strong emotions I would imagine. Why would they want to hurt others otherwise? They feel intense hate or anger and these are the only emotions they know so they claim that they feel nothing. Their actions are clearly guided by emotion, rather than cognition. Serial killers usually gain nothing from their acts but are compelled to continue by their emotions.

All IMO as usual.


Oh, I thought you were saying you just didn't have any. I was like, wow 0.O
Sociopaths have strong emotions (in terms of anger etc), they just don't have consciences. I can see how my post would be confusing about that though.


_________________
?Evil? No. Cursed?! No. COATED IN CHOCOLATE?! Perhaps. At one time. But NO LONGER.?


michel
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 12 Aug 2007
Age: 54
Gender: Male
Posts: 735
Location: Ecuador

27 Jul 2008, 3:35 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
I think each group has representatives that can get really annoying, it is a human trait...


Yes I agree. As long as you understand the parameters of who you're dealing with, you should be tolerant, and maybe you can even learn from the previously annoying behavior, once you know where it comes from...



corroonb
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 28 Oct 2007
Age: 40
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,377
Location: Ireland

27 Jul 2008, 3:39 pm

Thanks for clarifying. I see conscience as a form of social conditioning and part of the social evolution of our species. It is passed from parent to child and so on. If the parent lacks a conscience, I'd imagine the child would too. Conscience for me has no relation to emotion. Guilt about something is not a sufficient reason for not acting. Believing an action is ethically or morally wrong comes from logic not emotion, no matter how emotional one thinks one is.

Thanks for reading.



princesseli
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 7 Jan 2008
Age: 36
Gender: Female
Posts: 512
Location: Honolulu HI/ Los Angeles CA

27 Jul 2008, 7:22 pm

It really depends on the person. I find some NTs annoying and some aspies annoying. Though the aspies Ive found annoying, I found them annoying because they reminded me of annoying NTs. The NTs I find annoying are often within the characteristics of too loud, too snobby, too fake, too perky and cheerful(which often leads into me thinking that their fake), too demanding, etc. Often I dont find aspies annoying(unless they act like annoying NTs), they just seem rather closed off which I am often too so I dont blame them. Id say my ability to make friends with NTs and people on the spectrum is about equal. I do have more NT friends because Ive ran into way more NTs throughout my life then aspies.



27 Jul 2008, 8:57 pm

It depends on the person. I don't lump them into categories because aspies have annoyed me and some none aspies haven't. In fact I was annoyed more by none aspies when growing up lol. My brothers, my parents, and other kids when they mess up my stuff. My brothers' friends annoyed me because they wouldn't stop making lot of noise and making messes and they would get in my personal space, the basement. I hated them being down there, I wanted them upstairs where they can make messes up there and do changes like moving the furniture.
Oh yeah, sometimes people annoy me on here. So that's why I don't lump people into categories.



Spazzergasm
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 15 Sep 2009
Age: 32
Gender: Female
Posts: 4,415
Location: Maine

22 Sep 2009, 2:23 pm

corroonb wrote:
I think most emotions are invented by humans for specific often hostile purposes usually related to power and control.


only the stupid ones! what about love? i find i feel my strongest emotions alone and where no one but me sees them....those arent related to power or control...i mean who am i trying to control?



howzat
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 23 Aug 2007
Age: 38
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,802
Location: Hornsey North London

22 Sep 2009, 2:49 pm

I would say its 50/50 because some NTs are annoying and some are well alright same applies to people on the autism spectrum to be honest.



Grace09
Snowy Owl
Snowy Owl

User avatar

Joined: 30 Aug 2009
Gender: Female
Posts: 148

22 Sep 2009, 4:03 pm

I don't know if I've ever met an Aspie. Looking back I suspect now that some kids in school may have been, they were all in my accelerated math class and were very into Dungeons and Dragons. I didn't find them annoying but I don't know if they were aspie, they were just sorta geeky. My stepson has PDD-NOS, NVLD, CAPD and he's math disabled - it's a lot different than AS.



AceOfSpades
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 11 Feb 2006
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,754
Location: Sean Penn, Cambodia

22 Sep 2009, 5:46 pm

I've never met an Aspie in real life, but there are a few things I find annoying in these forums:

-Some people are always like "define this and that", even when the definition was cut and dried. Come on, I'm not a f*****g lawyer. Get a clue and use your common sense to figure out what I meant.

-I've always seen disapproval towards overgeneralizing, but overanalyizing can be just as annoying and unnecessary. It can be just as naive and ignorant too. Two sides of the same coin....

-Emphasizing logic to the point where it sounds mechanical. Emotion is the end, and logic is a means to that end. You can't separate that, no matter how logical or rational you think you are. Logic isn't everything. Hell, you can even make logical arguments about why the world is flat.

-Using big words and calling people who use simpler words dumb. They're the dumb ones. This sounds like an attack on the entire AS community, but I'm only talking about the pretentious douchebags who justify this by claiming superiority. They only feel the need to put unnecessary detail into everything cuz they can't think circumstantially. Not all circumstances require so much detail. I'm not talking to those who just happen to be pedantic.

-People who think they're superior because they have academic knowledge. These people often lack common sense and adaptive skills to the point where they live in ivory towers, so this superiority crap is uncalled for.

PS: Long post, but I'm bored right now.



Aimless
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 1 Apr 2009
Age: 67
Gender: Female
Posts: 8,187

22 Sep 2009, 6:02 pm

AceOfSpades

Quote:
I've never met an Aspie in real life, but there are a few things I find annoying in these forums:

-Some people are always like "define this and that", even when the definition was cut and dried. Come on, I'm not a f***ing lawyer. Get a clue and use your common sense to figure out what I meant.

-I've always seen disapproval towards overgeneralizing, but overanalyizing can be just as annoying and unnecessary. It can be just as naive and ignorant too. Two sides of the same coin....

-Emphasizing logic to the point where it sounds mechanical. Emotion is the end, and logic is a means to that end. You can't separate that, no matter how logical or rational you think you are. Logic isn't everything. Hell, you can even make logical arguments about why the world is flat.

-Using big words and calling people who use simpler words dumb. They're the dumb ones. This sounds like an attack on the entire AS community, but I'm only talking about the pretentious douchebags who justify this by claiming superiority. They only feel the need to put unnecessary detail into everything cuz they can't think circumstantially. Not all circumstances require so much detail. I'm not talking to those who just happen to be pedantic.

-People who think they're superior because they have academic knowledge. These people often lack common sense and adaptive skills to the point where they live in ivory towers, so this superiority crap is uncalled for.


Thank you. It needed to be said and you said it. I have great software but crappy hardware so I don't always express myself well. If you can get the point across without alienating the very people you're trying to communicate with, why not do it? I've heard this I'm so superior because I'm logical bit for a long time and I guess I find them just as annoying as the weepers.



granatelli
Deinonychus
Deinonychus

User avatar

Joined: 31 Mar 2009
Age: 64
Gender: Male
Posts: 308

22 Sep 2009, 10:17 pm

corroonb wrote:
I find ordinary people annoying most of the time because of their emphasis on emotion rather than reason. Sometimes I just can't bring myself to talk to them, not because I'm afraid or unable to, but because I find them boring and unutterably small-minded. I'm wondering is this just a question of intelligence because I see myself as clever and a lot of others aren't and are intimidated by this cleverness. Most of my issues with others stem from their emotionality and their lack of intelligence. I'm aware that "most" and "intelligence" are relative terms but I do think the differences here are more pronounced than simply autistic ones.

:?: :?:

PS I find autistic people less annoying than so-called normal people.


For what it's worth, a little advise.

IMO even if you are more clever than the average joe being a bit humble about it wouldn't hurt you a bit.

No one likes a know it all smart ass who think's he's better than everyone else, even if they are better looking, smarter, more logical and clever than the average guy walking down the street.

Confidence is not the same as arrogance.



tangerine12
Snowy Owl
Snowy Owl

User avatar

Joined: 29 Nov 2008
Age: 42
Gender: Male
Posts: 135

23 Sep 2009, 12:42 am

In my experience, I've seen more annoying NT's than Autistic people, but then it does depend on the individual, of course. Humanity in general is quite vexatious.
I must add, I have (very mild) Neurotypical Disorder, and many people whom are on the severe end of the NT spectrum think I'm annoying. But I have more autistic traits than they do :D



Ambivalence
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 8 Nov 2008
Age: 47
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,613
Location: Peterlee (for Industry)

23 Sep 2009, 5:36 am

corroonb wrote:
Pity is such an ugly emotion.


I disagree. What is inherently ugly about sympathising with someone in distress, or disadvantaged, and (perhaps) trying to help? I don't understand the stigma attached to giving or being given pity. :? I know that there is a stigma, but it seems to me to come from the way people use, or are believed to be using, pity as a tool, rather than being a fault of the emotion itself.


_________________
No one has gone missing or died.

The year is still young.


saywhatyamean
Snowy Owl
Snowy Owl

User avatar

Joined: 31 Aug 2009
Age: 57
Gender: Female
Posts: 148

23 Sep 2009, 6:48 am

I have heard it said, and I agree that ASDian as a group are more different to each other than NT's as a group are. So to me it makes sense that you would find some annoying ASDians......... and, I guess some NT's too. Unfortunately I don't know any other adult ASDians in the real world, outside of my family that is. In general the adult ASDians I have had contact with over the net and phone I like alot and do not find them annoying at all. Of course they are the ones that I have chosen to talk to more than once, presumably because we have something in common and that I don't find them annoying in the first place. In contrast I do find all NT's I have anything to do with annoying in at least one respect.

I actually think the world would be a better place if there were more ASDians.