is he horribly misinformed or am I??

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First, this looks like a good time to post the url protocols.
If you are using a rather long url, please use the following [ url = http://www.someaddress.com ] Some Name [ /url ] without the spaces, otherwise it tends to have negative effects on the bullitien board. Thanks!

Second, most scientific evidence indicates that the early reports of mercury poisoning in vacinations being a contributor to autism are false.

Third, some parents are now requesting mercury chelation treatments for their children, a treatment that can have devestating effects. When Mercury Kills

End conclusion, this boy is an ass who clearly does not understand what he is saying. Because what he is saying is not only not true, but could have devistating effects, he should be stopped. I think you did the right thing by treating him harshly. If he will listen to reason, reason with him. If not, feel free to beat the snot out of him, and blame it on poor impulse control.



I think any WP members living near Birmingham England should also organize a protest for this.

Please explain yourself here. You may not have meant it this way, but you're coming across a little high-handed, and apparently without any authority whatsoever. I'm not cooperating yet, so don't thank me till I do. THEN you can thank me.




Of course they did. They're the ones who have been giving the vaccinations for 80 years! It will destroy a lot of faith in the medical profession if it comes out that they have been unintentionally poisoning people by the thousands. The tobacco companies gave out study after study that "proved" smoking wasn't addictive--until they got caught.



We have some anger built up over this, don't we?

He's obviously been emotionally traumatised by someone/something that has made him say those things. But instead of trying to help him look on the positive side of life, you've resorted to beating him up and ridiculing him on the internet just because he sees the negative side of his autism. Great understanding on your part. ¬_¬

*claps*

Do you want to deal with harsh realities, or do you want to ridicule people in this forum.
Fact 1: There is no conclusive study indicating that injections containing mercury have anything to do with causing autism.
Fact 2: Most studys have indicated that mercury is not a causal factor in autism.
Fact 3: The leading biological theory for the primary cause of autism is an excess of testosterone in the uterous at the time of conception.
Fact 4: Mercury Chelation Treatments have already caused one death of a person with autism, and will likely kill more if not stopped.
Fact 5: Poor impulse control is a negative characteristic of AS disorders.
Fact 6: The world is sometimes a harsh place.
Fact 7: High testosterone levels coupled with poor impulse control sometimes lead to acts of violence.

I like how you attacked my cry for aggression, without addressing my inquiery as to whether or not the person was capable of listening to reason. I also liked the fact that you cling to faulty science. Finally, I like the fact that you never addressed my call for action against Chelation treatments for children with Asperger's.

Did I say that poor impulse control was a negative characteristic of people with AS disorders. Yes, I think I did.

I was thinking much the same thing.

While what he said may have been blatantly wrong and offensive for you, you're just hearing this from him;
He may be telling himself this constantly.
This has got to be a lot harder for him, and somehow, I think vilifying him, calling him an idiot isn't going to help much.

Some support, or pointing him to various resources to give him a brigher outlook might help.

Perhaps something horrible is going on in his life unlinked to autism, and feels like he has to blame it on Asperger's as a coping mechanism.

Only he knows how things are for him, and none of us should be so rash in passing judgement.

What the heck is the "US Institute of Medicine"? It sounds like one of those groups with an authoritative sounding name that really isn't authoritative. The AMA (American Medical Association) is, as far as I know, the largest organization representing medical professionals and the most commonly referred to when someone is trying to claim a fact as being accepted by most doctors. Thats not to say I personally trust the AMA, but they are generally given the most clout by society at large.

Maybe I'm just being dumb. "US Institute of Medicine" does have a vague familiarity to it. Is it a government agency, lobbying group, or professional society? The answer to that queston would go a long way towards letting me know if they deserve any credibility at all.

Hey irish,

I'm a little confused. Who's ridiculing whom here? Are you talking about thepeaguy, or me, or...



Hm. I think you might be talking to me here... I really can't tell. But who is it that is advocating the use of chelations? I know I haven't said any such thing, and I didn't see that ShadesOfMe wrote any such thing about the boy she had the confrontation with.

I'm interested in the debate, but I'ld like to know where it's coming from, so that I can participate.

Oh, and as for the FACTS:



If you look back a bit and read up:



I think we are more or less in agreement, right?

Most best wishes for a BEAUTIFUL evening!

Well... some theories of causes like mercury poisoning have strong evidence against them. But in one sense, nobody knows. We don't have a real good understanding of the human brain muchless AS and autism.

However the real problem here is that both you and him have fallen prey to the illusion that others know what theyre taking about.

Sometimes people know what theyre talking about and they just dont express it well and get misunderstood.
Othertimes, and in my cynical mind almost all times, people have little to no understanding of what theyre talking about.

Sometimes this is their fault and they're talking about something they have an incomplete understanding of, and other times they were just given bad, unreliable information.

The worst part is you really can't tell when someone knows what they're talking about and when they don't.

So when listening to others talk about something your best bet is to give whatever they say mature but light consideration. This way you will stay open minded while reducing the risk of being offended by someones opinions.

And with issues that there exists no reliable authority anywhere, i suggest you go with the explanation which pleases you most, this includes stuff like autism, self beauty, and god. ^_^

My apologies Groovy, sometimes I come to WP right after work in which case I'm pretty stressed out from dealing with nothing but children and women all day. With that said, I was probably looking for a fight.

If you want more information on chelation therapy, go to the link from my first post.
It is a therapy designed to rid the body of mercury.
Some parents of children with AS are turning to it as a hopeful cure with grave consequences.
It is becoming increasingly important to know about it when discussing mercury poisoning and AS.

The rest is as Nomad said.

as opposed to dealing with men, which would have been okay? tsk, tsk, irishmic - the inference is a leeeeetle dodgy, as i'm sure you'll agree...

as for the url thing - here's the authority, groovydruid. please could you edit your post as described. thanks!

Vivi
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The problem with these debates is that there are many many factors than can affect things. Is mercury toxic? Sure! And some people will be more sensitive to it than others, so it is reasonable that it might affect *some* people to *some* extent. Exactly the same thing can be said of many other controversial ideas. For example, the reported tendancy for family clusters of AS symptoms can support arguments for both genetic and upbringing issues as part of the cause of what is later recorded as an ASD.

Having read a fair bit on this now, I think all you can really say is that there is a strong genetic component, and that this is affected by many other factors. But how much and what factors are significant is really confusing (and difficult to look at objectively because I want a plain black and white answer!).

Vetivert, he said that he is stressed from working with women and children all day. I don't see anything offensive in this - he is just reporting his experience of one day at work.

There is a lot of ADHD in my family and I myself have it as well as AS, so maybe it is somehow related. It isn't caused by a shot. It is genetic. My cousin has the same condition that I do.

Ditto. The mercury thing is imbecilic. And as for the "ret*d" part, we Aspies are usually above average in intelligence. He needs to look up the definition of "mental retardation".

I have wondered about the Rubella vaccine, but... that was another thread.

Anywho, he sounds like an a**. As best you can, pay him no mind. Just pity him cause he's so miserable.

Aren't there a few different questions you could ask about mercury? The idea that it's necessary and sufficient for autism is obviously wrong, but that doesn't mean it couldn't have some effect which shows up more in those with certain genes...

I think it's a little harsh to call someone like that an idiot because their surroundings and family life have an overwhelming effect on how they take having AS and in addition to that it has to do with how that person processes reality as well (if their parents are harsh on em and they're 50% mom, 50% dad, odds are they aren't too different in their analytics). When someone talks like that though I feel incredibly bad for em because to be honest, they're living in hell in ways you couldn't even understand (ways that I can to a point because I do have a bit of a darker take on AS than the majority here does but I still don't think we're 'ret*ds').

Pretty much to anyone who saw that and said "Wow, what an idiot": just remember that not everyone is lucky enough to have a supportive environment or the same emotional resiliency to maintain that "It's not me, it's NT's" type of outlook - if you have that and can't relate to someone who thinks the way that guy does, consider yourself very lucky.

Lol, ditto that.