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14 Aug 2008, 12:05 pm

#2 reminded me of brave new world, I would say no 2 would be worse but I would find both to be of interest to me, they might be nightmares but I would love to observe it.

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14 Aug 2008, 12:14 pm

Well, both are referred to as hells and nightmares, therefore I'm going to wager that the reproduction isn't really a necessity

The way you put it, I'd say #2 would be worse, but that's because of the "aggressive" part. I think in a world without isolation, we'd get used to it and everything we're not paying attention to would just develop into a background noise.

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14 Aug 2008, 1:13 pm

How is reproduction not a necessity? OK, now I'm losing track of things ...

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15 Aug 2008, 5:28 am

nightmare or hell, so theoretically you're either dead or asleep

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15 Aug 2008, 5:59 am

Number 2 would be worse for me.

I would like to inquire, does no communication include one-way indirect communication; for instance that it would not be possible to read books?

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15 Aug 2008, 7:27 am

LostInEmulation wrote:

#2 would be VERY horrible, I would go nuts after about 10 hours.

10 hours!?

more like 10 minuets 4 me

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15 Aug 2008, 9:10 am

Number 2 big time
Hell, I'd love it if all mating involved no talking or no bonding!! !
I might finally get some action again after a LONG time

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15 Aug 2008, 9:30 am

Apatura wrote:

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Nightmare #2:
All privacy ceases to be. You will never have a moment of solitude again, and neither will anyone else. Wherever you go, there will be at least seven other people directly around you, including bedroom and bathroom. You have no say as to who these seven people are, most of them will almost constantly direct their attention at you and each other and they will get aggressive when ignored.

Hey, that sounds like life with my kids! :lol:

I thought the same thing! :lol:

However, I only have 3 kids, so I'd still have 4 other people to deal with in scenario #2, so I pick #2.

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15 Aug 2008, 9:32 am

#2 will be more horrible.

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15 Aug 2008, 9:35 am

I read #1 thinking, "Yeah, okay, not too bad... would get dull I suppose...."

I then read #2 and wanted to curl up into a ball just from reading it. That is the worst thing I can possibly imagine.

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15 Aug 2008, 12:46 pm

donkey wrote:

i would prefer number 1 over number 2.
presumably in an AS forum your going to get this.
but i suspect in a non AS forum your going to get a similar response.

Do you know of any suitable NT forum where I might test this? I would expect most non-autistics to find nightmare #1 the more horrible of the two. Otherwise, why does the reality of most human lives resemble #2 more than #1? My non-autistic wife does indeed find #1 more horrible and says that #2 isn't all that different from the reality she is accustomed to. But of course she's not statistically representative for all non-autistics.

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Both nightmares are forms of Hell. You might enjoy either one for a while, but sooner or later the novelty wears off. Hell is repetition. Hell is monotony. Hell is isolation.

I would expect neither nightmare to be actually enjoyable for anybody. Indeed if it were [i]temporary[/], #1 might be enjoyable for us as an escape, to get some peace. But the idea here is that either situation would last until we die. I can't imagine #2 to be enjoyable for even a minute, though I guess someone with extreme feelings of loneliness might find #2 to have redeeming qualities.

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Unbeliever wrote:

The way you put it, I'd say #2 would be worse, but that's because of the "aggressive" part. I think in a world without isolation, we'd get used to it and everything we're not paying attention to would just develop into a background noise.

I did not mean "aggressive" to necessarily mean the others would beat you up if you'd ignore them. I meant that they will aggressively pursue your attention and respond angrily to being ignored. Most people do actually seem aggressive to me in this sense.

In my (autistic) experience there is no such thing as "background noise". I hear everything that's loud enough to be heard wherever I'm located, and I can't pretend part of the sounds not to be there so as to hear the other part better, or all of the sounds not to be there so as to experience an illusion of silence.

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15 Aug 2008, 1:11 pm

pandd wrote:

I would like to inquire, does no communication include one-way indirect communication; for instance that it would not be possible to read books?

There would be no books or any other verbal expressions.

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15 Aug 2008, 1:19 pm

slowmutant wrote:

How is reproduction not a necessity? OK, now I'm losing track of things ...

Assume moms breastfeed their babies for a while, and give them some rodents to play with so as to get accustomed to hunting...

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15 Aug 2008, 1:47 pm

My dream is to be the only person on this planet.

#1 is a miracle, not a nightmare to my mind. Awesome!

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15 Aug 2008, 2:44 pm

Sora wrote:

My dream is to be the only person on this planet.
#1 is a miracle, not a nightmare to my mind. Awesome!

Are you sure? Nightmare #1 might seem pleasant because it contrasts with your (and my) current experience of the world being far too crowded with people. However, in nightmare #1, no one would help you obtain food or anything else you need, you might end up being food for something bigger than you or die from eating something poisonous, you could not fall in love or be loved, you would not have access to any knowledge or understanding other than what you can find out with your own senses and brain, and the language in your mind would appear insane to you after a while because it would no longer connect you with anyone or anything.

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