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23 Aug 2008, 2:15 am

I was taken in by the cops for questioning in May. I was with a friend, we went to eat, his friends called him and asked him to join them for a couple of minutes. Barely a few minutes passed when around 20 cops appeared, nailed us to the ground, and started searching us. Apparently, those guys were smoking pot before we appeared, and the neighbours complained. We tried to bribe them, but failed because the circle inspector was there, making the situation worse. We were taken in, held for four hours. I was out in a few minutes, after they called my Dad. Wish I called him sooner. My friend and I were let out as they found us not guilty. The other guys had to pay a lot to bribe themselves out. During the whole experience, I totally panicked, and didn't know what to do. I tried explaining to them about my AS, but they just whacked me with their batons.

I'm so stupid. Not only did I have the phone number of the MP (he's my Dad's friend), the assistant inspector-general of police is also my uncle's friend. Also, my friend's father is a congress party leader. Stupid, stupid, stupid. The more I think of it, the more I wish I made a couple of calls back then. >_<



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23 Aug 2008, 2:44 am

Dealing with police involves interaction with a different set of rules, and AS just complicates things more. The police might misinterpret autistic behaviors as uncooperative or evasive if they don't know what to look for. If you can talk and drive a car, they might assume wrongly that you're perfectly normal and that the normal rules of behavior should be applied to you.

Police do things that are weird, like ask redundant questions, shine a light in your eyes and ask you to do weird things like stand on one foot because they are looking out for a list of specific things. The nature of their duty sometimes places police in conflict with people, too, and they have to protect themselves.


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23 Aug 2008, 3:16 am

got only pulled once by this day when driving it werent bad they just chekked was i drunk because my rigth arm was shaking


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23 Aug 2008, 6:09 am

i have been annoyed by police many times.

my behaviour in public is not a fluent style that people can selectively ignore.

for example, when i walk through malls, if i notice a crack i some wall, i will stop and look at it.

i wonder what design flaw in the blue print of the mall resulted in this crack.

then i look around at the ceiling to see how the place is built, and what stresses are chanelled where, and then i get tapped on the shoulder by security guards.

sg: g'day mate. how's it going (a question to test my lucidity, but i am autistic and fail it for a different reason).

me: sorry? how's what going?
sg: mate what are you doing in here?
me: erm, i am going to ahhm "powerhouse electronics".
sg: why are you going there?
me: just to look around.

i seem so dishonest because i can not look in their eyes and be like they are to make them relieved that i am "normal"

they have somehow pressed some button on their belt, and the police arrive, and take me and my briefcase down to the station to check me out.


in my briefcase, they find lots of questionable stuff.
like PH testing kits, and electronic circuits that i was studying.

i had plasticizsers, and acrylic resins as well that i could mix with things i found interesting in my wanderings.

i found it very hard to explain.
they wondered whether i had sinister intentions.

i seemed very dumb, and i had stuff that dumb people would not carry.

it is hard for them to let you go free when they can not understand you.

also, i had a series of magnetrons set up in an experiment room ( i wanted to see if i could annihilate particles with hyper resonance through progressive harmonic dimensional saturation of oscillation.)

i was building the mechanisms and testing their alignments and sensitivities when the police turned up at my door.
they wanted to know what is being done in the room with the bright lights in it.

they seized all the equipment and had it analyzed and returned it to me later as junk.

they went away.
my spirit of inquiry also went away because i could not be bothered doing all the groundwork again.

it is sad we live in a world where criminals are.

and terrorists are also a reason that everyone is paranoid.



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23 Aug 2008, 8:04 am

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I've been stopped for traffic violations and I try to be respectful and polite. Generally if you are polite and respectful to them they will treat you fairly. Then again a traffic violation is a small fine and that's it. It if was a criminal matter I would clam up and simply tell them to talk to my attorney.

Hmm.
If you treat THEM as the enemy, you can hardly expect them to treat you as a friend.
The more co-operative you are with them and the better you answer their questions, the less likely it is you'll be treated as a suspect.
In this respect, you often have to bend over backwards - the police are PAID to be sceptical and suspicious.
If you put your back up - as most crims do - they'll assume it's because you're one too.



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23 Aug 2008, 8:09 am

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I was taken in by the cops for questioning in May. I was with a friend, we went to eat, his friends called him and asked him to join them for a couple of minutes. Barely a few minutes passed when around 20 cops appeared, nailed us to the ground, and started searching us. Apparently, those guys were smoking pot before we appeared, and the neighbours complained. We tried to bribe them, but failed because the circle inspector was there, making the situation worse. We were taken in, held for four hours. I was out in a few minutes, after they called my Dad. Wish I called him sooner. My friend and I were let out as they found us not guilty. The other guys had to pay a lot to bribe themselves out. During the whole experience, I totally panicked, and didn't know what to do. I tried explaining to them about my AS, but they just whacked me with their batons.

I'm so stupid. Not only did I have the phone number of the MP (he's my Dad's friend), the assistant inspector-general of police is also my uncle's friend. Also, my friend's father is a congress party leader. Stupid, stupid, stupid. The more I think of it, the more I wish I made a couple of calls back then. >_<

Christ !

I'm just glad I live in a straight country, where the police are pretty accountable.

I guess the upside of the situation where you are is that although the police are free to do what they feel like, they're also readily bribable and the system is so corrupt that a phone call to the right person will get you out of a sticky situation.



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23 Aug 2008, 8:24 am

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I'm suspicious just because I don't have contact with family or any friends, am not married, have no partner or kids. It saves me a lot of suspicion when I do have a job, but they're hard for me to hold down. Then I make them more suspicious with my "different"way of seeing things and behaving, and they'll see me as dangerous even if I don't harm anyone. I try to stay away from authority of that kind as much as I can, just like all minorities do (homosexuals, Jews, foreign workers, etc.)


Hey Greentea,

I can very well relate to that. I too am an eccentric loner, divorced but gainfully employed otherwise.


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23 Aug 2008, 8:35 am

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How do you know you're being monitored? Doesn't the whole point of monitoring require that the person being monitored doesn't know about it? Or is it just the circumstance that makes it probable you are being monitored?


sgrannel,

It is all through 3rd parties that I found out for sure I was being tapped. My parents' phone (in another part of town) is also being tapped. They have numerous time hauled my fishing buddy into the police station for questioning -until he started to bring a lawyer with him every time. They played him CD's of my mother's lengthy phone conversations with other people who have nothing to do with the issue.

It is through the same lawyer that I found out my computer had been hacked into by them and some of my writing has been taken without my consent. Are they actually allowed to do that? Remember things have changed completely since the 9/11 thingy.

The reason the local police will never talk to me directly is they know I will not do so unless I have my social worker sitting in as a witness. They've been downright dirty and cloak-and-dagger about it.

The circumstance you ask about stems from a long-standing conflict between my fishing buddy and a neighbor of his with close internal police connections (long story). Because of my being "different", they seem to think of me as being an easy target.


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23 Aug 2008, 8:38 am

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sgrannel wrote:
How do you know you're being monitored? Doesn't the whole point of monitoring require that the person being monitored doesn't know about it? Or is it just the circumstance that makes it probable you are being monitored?


sgrannel,

It is all through 3rd parties that I found out for sure I was being tapped. My parents' phone (in another part of town) is also being tapped. They have numerous time hauled my fishing buddy into the police station for questioning -until he started to bring a lawyer with him every time. They played him CD's of my mother's lengthy phone conversations with other people who have nothing to do with the issue.

It is through the same lawyer that I found out my computer had been hacked into by them and some of my writing has been taken without my consent. Are they actually allowed to do that? Remember things have changed completely since the 9/11 thingy.

The reason the local police will never talk to me directly is they know I will not do so unless I have my social worker sitting in as a witness. They've been downright dirty and cloak-and-dagger about it.

The circumstance you ask about stems from a long-standing conflict between my fishing buddy and a neighbor of his with close internal police connections (long story). Because of my being "different", they seem to think of me as being an easy target.

I think if you've stopped taking meds, you really should think about starting them again.

Do you have any history of psychosis ?
And if so, have you ever taken medication for it ?



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23 Aug 2008, 8:39 am

I've been pulled over by the cops twice to be tested for alcohol. One was like where they just check every car driver leaving town for being drunk, and one where there was a cop bus driving behind me showing a pull over sign.
None of that gave me any trouble and they were friendly to me.
I've never even gotten 1 speeding ticket, even though i rarely keep to the speed limit.
Many people i know get them monthly and see them just as a standard monthly expense.
I get robbed enough with our insanely high taxes to want to hand over more of my money to them lol.
I wish they concentrated more on catching criminals instead of hiding in the bushes to give out speeding tickets.



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23 Aug 2008, 8:41 am

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People who bully others gravitate towards law enforcement, unfortunately.

Cops generally suck.


Now do you see why I HATE cops so much? Neo-Nazi fascists that they are :evil:


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23 Aug 2008, 8:43 am

sgrannel wrote:
How do you know you're being monitored? Doesn't the whole point of monitoring require that the person being monitored doesn't know about it? Or is it just the circumstance that makes it probable you are being monitored?


Sometimes police will let people know they are watching someone just to keep them in line or harass them. If the police think that they know right from wrong and just need some supervision.

Being watched by the police does have benefits. It can keep bad people from messing with you as well. If they see the police around all the time do you think they will be as likely to try anything? If you have any enemies they will most likely stay away. I speak from experience.

I have been watched by the police but it doesn't matter to me because I know I haven't done anything, haven't harmed anyone and have my rights. I also had no idea why the police were watching me, just know I have had feuds with others around here in the past. People have done things to me and just the police being visible and keeping them away to me, is a good thing.



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23 Aug 2008, 8:43 am

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http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt60458.html Read that post i made awhile ago, that explains how i feel about cops! I still dont trust many cops to this day, and will have a siezure if i see their blinking lights!


Always, always, ALWAYS get their badge numbers if you can and if possible, record or write down the details while still fresh in mind.


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23 Aug 2008, 8:48 am

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Here's my two cents. f**k the police. I'm with NWA on this one. The police are more criminal than the criminals themselves, but hey, I live in Baltimore, so that's common knowledge over here. The cops are racist too. And they are also classist, meaning if you are poor they will treat you a lot worse.


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23 Aug 2008, 8:56 am

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Papillon wrote:
sgrannel wrote:
How do you know you're being monitored? Doesn't the whole point of monitoring require that the person being monitored doesn't know about it? Or is it just the circumstance that makes it probable you are being monitored?


sgrannel,

It is all through 3rd parties that I found out for sure I was being tapped. My parents' phone (in another part of town) is also being tapped. They have numerous time hauled my fishing buddy into the police station for questioning -until he started to bring a lawyer with him every time. They played him CD's of my mother's lengthy phone conversations with other people who have nothing to do with the issue.

It is through the same lawyer that I found out my computer had been hacked into by them and some of my writing has been taken without my consent. Are they actually allowed to do that? Remember things have changed completely since the 9/11 thingy.

The reason the local police will never talk to me directly is they know I will not do so unless I have my social worker sitting in as a witness. They've been downright dirty and cloak-and-dagger about it.

The circumstance you ask about stems from a long-standing conflict between my fishing buddy and a neighbor of his with close internal police connections (long story). Because of my being "different", they seem to think of me as being an easy target.

I think if you've stopped taking meds, you really should think about starting them again.

Do you have any history of psychosis ?
And if so, have you ever taken medication for it ?


Very sound advice, MemberSix. I'll take it with a grain of salt.


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23 Aug 2008, 9:17 am

WHOAH...

Okay... I admit to getting a bit heavy-handed here and I caught myself about to turn my computer into a projectile. I didn't come here to have a snit, I just came here for your shared experiences pertaining to this subject.

Anyway... let's continue.

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