I believe that Autism Is 100% Genetic!

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25 Aug 2008, 8:46 am

Agreed.
Autism is 100% genetic.

Unfortunately, acceptance of this isn't - generally because it's either profitable to refute it or because it's simply too unpalatable (read : unalterable) for folks' tastes.



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25 Aug 2008, 8:52 am

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I used to think it was 100% genetic, but now I'm leaning more towards 80% genetic and that there is some "trigger" that happens prenatally, postnatally, or in early childhood that makes one autistic.

For me this comes from not only the twins study, but also the theory that schizophrenia and autism have many of the same genetic components, but the difference is autism comes early in life while schizophrenia comes later. It does make sense, I mean how many cases have you heard of people becoming autistic at like age 25 or 30? I think perhaps whatever triggers it at later ages, the brain is unable to repair itself the way it does when kids are younger and have autism, so the effects are slightly different (hearing voices) and there is less chance of recovery.

Just a thought.

It's genetic for good evolutionary reasons.

No autistc spectrum, no social hierarchy.

Everbody's on the spectrum, everyone's part of the hiearchy - the higher up the spectrum you are, the less pathological your symptomology will be.

Autism is not a fault, it's an evolutionary adaptation that unfortunately, happens to be disadvantageous to individuals at the Autie end of the spectrum.

But its benefits to the tribe as a whole are innumerable.

You have it in social, mammalian non-primates, too - dogs, meerkats and so on.



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25 Aug 2008, 8:57 am

Just because someone is famous does not mean that they are well educated! Usually, it is the opposite.

Companies that make vaccines have lots and lots of money which may be a driving force behind the "blame the vaccine" crowd and their LAWYERS.



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25 Aug 2008, 9:12 am

Parents definitly don't want to blame genetics because

1) Not many people now a lot about genetics, sure scientists can figure out but the average person doesn't really know. So how would they know faulty genes can be passed?

2) Givivng ignorance to genes the parent will feel that something they gave the child caused it hence why people think vaccines cause it. There may be no proof but because of the ignorance and wanting to blme something they will blame the vaccines that they give to kids.


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25 Aug 2008, 9:26 am

Mage wrote:
I used to think it was 100% genetic, but now I'm leaning more towards 80% genetic and that there is some "trigger" that happens prenatally, postnatally, or in early childhood that makes one autistic.

For me this comes from not only the twins study, but also the theory that schizophrenia and autism have many of the same genetic components, but the difference is autism comes early in life while schizophrenia comes later. It does make sense, I mean how many cases have you heard of people becoming autistic at like age 25 or 30? I think perhaps whatever triggers it at later ages, the brain is unable to repair itself the way it does when kids are younger and have autism, so the effects are slightly different (hearing voices) and there is less chance of recovery.

Just a thought.


Uh... No, actually. You cannot "get" aspergers or schizophrenia at any point. Schizos may not be apparent for a long while.
Take it from someone actively involved in research on this matter; autism is 100% genetic. The only environmental factors are behavioural and cultural, as with anybody else. The so-called relationships between autism, ADHD and schizophrenia is anecdotal - someone can be an Aspir and ADHD or Aspie and schizo. The rates are no different than in others, but more apparent.


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25 Aug 2008, 9:34 am

100% genetic? I think not.

Identical twin-studies suggest that environmental factors likely do play a role in how ASDs present in life.


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25 Aug 2008, 9:59 am

What studies? Conducted by whom? Depending on the content of the studies that may prove a genetic component; especially when one speaks of twins. Besides which: identical twins are never entirely perfectly identical. That goes double when one deals with the specific Asperger genes. ;)


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25 Aug 2008, 10:00 am

It's clearly mostly genetic, as it runs in families, and even if it was triggered by something like vaccines, there would have to be a genetic component to trigger, as millions of kids get vaccines and only a small amount of them are autistic. I definitely think it's mostly genetic, but maybe some kids have a predisposition that is triggered by environmental factors. I feel like it's less likely to be vaccines though, or that would have been proven. Maybe the stuff we put in our food nowadays? It seems like more an dmore kids are autistic and there must be a reason. What's really strange to me is the kids who develop normally and then suddenly develop autistic symptoms - that's very strange, that a brain could suddenly rewire itself to behave incorrectly. Autism is a mystery, mainly because it's not any one thing, but a set of little things that may or may not go wrong with the brain, forming a pattern of symptoms of varying severity. I'ts so hard to pinpoint because it's not a 'set' syndrome where it's clear which gene had an issue and what will go wrong an dwhat the symptoms will be.



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25 Aug 2008, 10:14 am

quirky wrote:
It's clearly mostly genetic, as it runs in families, and even if it was triggered by something like vaccines, there would have to be a genetic component to trigger, as millions of kids get vaccines and only a small amount of them are autistic. I definitely think it's mostly genetic, but maybe some kids have a predisposition that is triggered by environmental factors. I feel like it's less likely to be vaccines though, or that would have been proven. Maybe the stuff we put in our food nowadays? It seems like more an dmore kids are autistic and there must be a reason. What's really strange to me is the kids who develop normally and then suddenly develop autistic symptoms - that's very strange, that a brain could suddenly rewire itself to behave incorrectly. Autism is a mystery, mainly because it's not any one thing, but a set of little things that may or may not go wrong with the brain, forming a pattern of symptoms of varying severity. I'ts so hard to pinpoint because it's not a 'set' syndrome where it's clear which gene had an issue and what will go wrong an dwhat the symptoms will be.


Actually, that type of Autism is known - CDD, Childhood Degenerative Disease.
My brother was such - he had to learn to speak twice. As for chemical additives in food: they are less now than earlier, awareness is simply higher. Unfortunately, uneducated celebrities misrepresent that minority...


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25 Aug 2008, 10:19 am

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100% genetic? I think not.

Identical twin-studies suggest that environmental factors likely do play a role in how ASDs present in life.

Identical twins are never physically identical.
To be so, they'd have to develop in utterly identical environments from the moment of conception.

But you were referring to socio-environmental factors rather than physio-environmental ones, no ?

If identical twins could be raised in totally identical environments, the correlation between Autism and identical twins would be 100%.



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25 Aug 2008, 10:24 am

Identical twins doesn't mean they both have the same genes so even if one twin had the autism gene doesn't mean the other twin will have the same autism gene as well.



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25 Aug 2008, 10:37 am

a lot of parents think they can tell someone is perfect right after there born

cuz theres virtually nobody who can diagnose autism to someone who is baby

so thats why i don't buy all these stories of a baby suddenly changing the second they get a vaccine shot doctors I mean that just is literally impossible for me to wrap my head around

you get a shot ok maybe your crying screaming during it or whatever and maybe you take a nap but your brain doesn't just suddenly change because of it

it really boggles my mind some of these huge changes ppl are claiming happened imo the baby was always autistic and they just didnt' want to believe it till they could blame something else instead



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25 Aug 2008, 10:38 am

I don't agree that it is 100% genetic and if there is science out there that has in fact identified a gene, I'd like to see it.

On the vaccine issue, I can at least stand as an example that should in some way debunk the theory.

My family moved on a monthly basis and myself and my siblings were constantly enrolled in school after school. With every new enrollment there was the round of vaccines. Being mostly non-verbal, I was concerned with it, and did feel much like a pin cushion, but couldn't say much if anything on my own behalf. Even though my siblings experienced the same rounds of vaccines, they are not autistic, while I am. Being over-vaccinated that much, if this theory were in any way true, they would be autistic too, and they are not.

I think this supports a premise that the vaccine theory doesn't hold water.



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25 Aug 2008, 10:51 am

Xercies wrote:
Autism is probably a faulty gene somewhere n humans that get passed down to the kids, and it will always be like that.


hmm, perhaps, but are you sure it´s just 1 gene? Considering there are probably billions of "genes" that make up a human, it do seem a little bit odd that it would be just 1. But, hey, you could be right.



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25 Aug 2008, 10:55 am

I don't think its one gene because a lot of autism is different, but its a couple of genes.


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25 Aug 2008, 10:57 am

Well someone mentioned something earlier about species often experimenting with the next evolution chain, I think there was another about that it was odd that there is only one type of Human like species. I think it is possible that we are a possible experiment at a different lie of evolution, maybe we will end up becomeing seperate.


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