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19 Sep 2008, 7:13 am

I think the line is more like a brick wall. If you understand people and their intentions, gestures ect. very well and you can make and keep friends and have no problems with this then your not an aspie. However, If you have problems with anything I mentioned your somewhere in the spectrum. And once your in the spectrum its as broad as a percentage for example. (IE this man is 100% autistic. That women is 22% autistic. It just all varies, of course this is all my opinion



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19 Sep 2008, 7:17 am

I don't know about that, Mindovermatter. One thing I notice is that people polarize a lot on these forums. Lots of people do have problems making and keeping friends, even those off the spectrum. Some people treat others like crap all the time and this keeps them from keeping friends.
Cause and effect.
Happens all the time. Aspies aren't the only ones who have problems keeping friends.
Their reasons for not keeping them might be slightly different. Isn't the result the same?



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19 Sep 2008, 7:32 am

Not just making friends even communicating. Its developing that rapport were the problems come into play. If people with social anxiety smoked some weed or took a xanax they would be able to make and develop rapport. A person with autism isnt "anxious" around people they just dont know what to say to them.(for me at least)

edit: okay I see what your saying, f**k I dont know people are people I guess. One of my sisters accuses me of being a hypochondriac. lol. She is right but back to the topic. There is a fine line between a person being "in the spectrum" and outside of the spectrum. Whether you think I'm just polarizing the issue or not is besides the point. Autism is an alien disorder that cannot be identified in your everyday person.

or maybe it can, then again, we can all be a little mentally ret*d at times dontcha think? everyone portrays schizophrenic tendencies too wouldnt you say?(just look at all the conspiracy theories, and the people on the 9/11 is an inside job bandwagon)



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19 Sep 2008, 7:51 am

Autism Parallel Universe topic

I used to think of the spectrum as a line, with starting and end points, with one side labeled NT and the other Autistic. Both ends were the extremes, much as Callista described.

Now I think of it as a Universe, no beginning, and no end. It just goes on and on, into infinity. Why? Because human beings are dynamic creatures, even if NT, and are subject to change (do not read cure), and so the whole thing is fluid and constantly changing shape, orientation, etc., much like a kaleidoscope, to put it visually.

I think of it this way so as to understand that everyday is a whole new experience and we are not bound by rigid rules, though there are tendencies, trends and some similarities, but nothing stagnant.


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19 Sep 2008, 7:52 am

Postperson wrote:
schleppenheimer wrote:
... ever since I've looked into Asperger's and Autism in association with my son, I now think everybody has it [not everybody, but I think I can point it out in others, much to my family's amusement].


yeah, there's something of the 'evangelical' in newly dx'ed people. I think I've finally stopped seeing it everywhere.


It's a relief to see that you've finally stopped seeing Asperger's everywhere. It's been seven years since my son was diagnosed -- when am I likely to stop seeing it everywhere? (My family wants to know!)



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19 Sep 2008, 8:01 am

schleppenheimer wrote:
Postperson wrote:
schleppenheimer wrote:
... ever since I've looked into Asperger's and Autism in association with my son, I now think everybody has it [not everybody, but I think I can point it out in others, much to my family's amusement].


yeah, there's something of the 'evangelical' in newly dx'ed people. I think I've finally stopped seeing it everywhere.


It's a relief to see that you've finally stopped seeing Asperger's everywhere. It's been seven years since my son was diagnosed -- when am I likely to stop seeing it everywhere? (My family wants to know!)

You are correct when you see it. However what people are neglecting to acknowledge is this, a mental disorder becomes a disorder when it effects your life. These NT's who you are seeing aspie traits in still dont claim any label because whatever traits you see arent bad enough for them to seek a diagnoses in the first place.



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19 Sep 2008, 9:33 am

Callista wrote:
Some Aspies speak standard American English. I used to as a kid--not anymore, but back then it was pretty close. I even avoided ending sentences with prepositions! My English lessons were quite traditional and didn't cover things like the changeable nature of English; and I even learned a lot of archaic language from reading the King James Version of the Bible!


Probably not, actually. SAE has to do with a lot more than grammar- it also has to do with phonology (the actual consonant and vowel sounds), and no dialect really conforms to SAE. These are differences you wouldn't even be aware of unless you are a linguist and have studied phonology. It's definitely not covered in school.