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09 Oct 2008, 8:33 pm

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Sure....what with sexuality being a choice, like what brand milk to buy..... :roll:


No more than having AS is a choice. :wink:



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09 Oct 2008, 8:52 pm

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@ Triangular Trees: Yes, I know what all the letters stand for.
@ makuranososhi: Frustrated? I certainly did not mean for that to come across- I don't feel that way at all. I do not "get" bisexuality at all. IMHO a person is either gay or straight. Period. Pick a team and play or get off the field.

But I didn't intend for this to be about the legitimacy of alternative sexualities but the part they play in combination with AS.


i don't "get" you not getting bisexuality at all. :lol:

but, coming from someone who's most accurately pansexual, i guess gender doesn't really matter to me too much. :D

though, technically speaking, i guess i play for the hetero "team," since i guess i'm "in the closet" irl. or, more accurately, i don't think it's important enough to go broadcasting.. nor is it anyone else's business who i may or may not like. :roll:

and i am not offended at all that there is no P in that long acronym.. :lol:


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09 Oct 2008, 8:54 pm

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pandd wrote:
Sure....what with sexuality being a choice, like what brand milk to buy..... :roll:


No more than having AS is a choice. :wink:

I admit, I had overlooked that AS is a choice. Now I know, I am on to you. Fancy complaining about the greediness of bi-sexuals when you have picked out two minority groups to belong to. Surely people belong to either one minority group or another, and therefore are either gay or autistic (but not both). Period. Pick a minority and play for it, or get off the field of diversity.... :wink:

Seriously though, none of the bi-sexual people I know picked being bi-sexual while browsing in the sexuality home-shoppers catalog. I do not recall ever picking my sexuality. I do not see any cause to assume bi-sexual people pick their sexuality, nor why just because you do not happen to be bi-sexual, no one else is. Are they all 'faking' their sexuality because they like being the butt of everyone's derision, including that of other sexual minorities? :?



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09 Oct 2008, 9:12 pm

You forgot pan/omni, Bi-curious, Zoosexual (animals) and just plain old not-living object lovers. (No, not fetishes. These people like ONLY objects...I forgot the name.)


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09 Oct 2008, 9:23 pm

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I admit, I had overlooked that AS is a choice. Now I know, I am on to you. Fancy complaining about the greediness of bi-sexuals when you have picked out two minority groups to belong to. Surely people belong to either one minority group or another, and therefore are either gay or autistic (but not both). Period. Pick a minority and play for it, or get off the field of diversity.... :wink:

Seriously though, none of the bi-sexual people I know picked being bi-sexual while browsing in the sexuality home-shoppers catalog. I do not recall ever picking my sexuality. I do not see any cause to assume bi-sexual people pick their sexuality, nor why just because you do not happen to be bi-sexual, no one else is. Are they all 'faking' their sexuality because they like being the butt of everyone's derision, including that of other sexual minorities? :?


I have less than no interest engaging anyone in a sexuality debate. No one has ever had their mind changed (for better or worse) by reading posts on a chat forum. Now, is there any chance this thread could get back on-topic or has that ship sailed? :roll:



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09 Oct 2008, 9:33 pm

People have changed their minds from threads.


If you are going to criticize sexual minorities, than you are going to have to put up with people speaking up against you.

Complaining about a lesbian gay organization extending its reach to other sexual minorites, and then claiming those other sexual minorities are not real, is an attack, and one without basis. And so you are going to have people of those minorities, and people who are intelligent enough to realize that you can't choose your sexuality any more than you can choose what skin color you are born, will be speaking up as to stand back and do nothing is akin to supporting the hate and myths perpetrated by those who say things like the only options are gay or straight, atheist or theist, lover or hater, etc There are gray areas between everything. Nothing is black and white- we could even point out all the variations in the color white


What did you expect to happen when you began this thread with a complaint about a group for sexual minorites supporting and recognizing sexual minorities?


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09 Oct 2008, 9:43 pm

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People have.

If you are going to criticize sexual minorities, than you are going to have to put up with people speaking up against you.

Complaining about a lesbian gay organization extending its reach to other sexual minorites, and then claiming those other sexual minorities are not real, is an attack, and one without basis. And so you are going to have people of those minorities, and people who are intelligent enough to realize that you can't choose your sexuality any more than you can choose what skin color you are born, will be speaking up as to stand back and do nothing is akin to supporting the hate and myths perpetrated by those who say things like the only options are gay or straight, atheist or theist, lover or hater, etc There are gray areas between everything. Nothing is black and white- we could even point out all the variations in the color white


What did you expect to happen when you posted a complaint about a group for sexual minorites supporting and recognizing sexual minorities?


Whatever- as I said, I don't debate, especially on a forum. I merely "speak" my peace.
If I'm being perceived as critical, complaining or otherwise perpetuating any kind of myth... then what can I say? That is what some people will chose to believe and I have no interest in trying to change anyone's mind.
And if people actually have the inclination to rise up against the evil that is Miles, then go for it. My energy is better spent doing constructive things other than battling internet ghosts.



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09 Oct 2008, 10:06 pm

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You forgot pan/omni, Bi-curious, Zoosexual (animals) and just plain old not-living object lovers. (No, not fetishes. These people like ONLY objects...I forgot the name.)


and where's the pedophiles at....

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What are your experiences? Are the issues of living an AS life compounded by other complexities like being gay?


I am not a homosexual so I cannot comment


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09 Oct 2008, 10:15 pm

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What are your experiences? Are the issues of living an AS life compounded by other complexities like being gay?


me being pansexual has nothing to do with me being an aspie, and doesn't really affect anything at all.

but living an AS life is compounded by complexities of being a practicing heterosexual. :lol: for example, there's this guy i've liked for years, but i've never even had a proper conversation with him, and can't get up the courage to approach him for the life of me. (though i strongly suspect, from watching him for the past 2+ years, that he's also an aspie.)


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09 Oct 2008, 10:25 pm

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I have less than no interest engaging anyone in a sexuality debate.


:D Didn't you put "bisexuals are just greedy"? If it's a joke, please say so. Personaly, I think the "just greedy" is ignorant and rude, should "Not a joke" be the case...

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09 Oct 2008, 10:44 pm

Yes, the bisexual comment was very much tongue-in-cheek. I didn't think I'd have to actually spell it out.

But would it really matter if it weren't? Is an opinion any less valid becuase some people don't agree with it?



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09 Oct 2008, 11:36 pm

It's common as a not-joke, intent is hard to see on the internet, and many people have trouble knowing when a joke is being made as well. Also given your comments after, it seems you didn't really mean a joke after all, so it's not surprising that many people took it as a serious comment.

Yes, your opinion is less valid when it's an opinion about someone else's life and that person's experience is that you're wrong. Opinions can be right or wrong.



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10 Oct 2008, 12:01 am

Successful troll is successful.

Back on topic. I'm not totally out of the closet, except with close friends and anonymous Internet people I don't have to care about. I more readily tell people that I have AS, but only if they already know me fairly well. If I tell people before they understand me, they begin to treat me like I'm just unintelligent.

Then again, part of the reason I don't talk about my sexuality is that it's really hard to explain. When I tell people I'm pansexual, they invariably ask if I have sex with pans. So I usually just say I'm bisexual, but even that is awkward to explain. I do have to tell people that I really am indifferent to gender and not just a horny person who'll have sex with anyone (quite the opposite, actually). I also understand that the difference between bisexual and pansexual is hardly significant and not understood by most, so it doesn't bother me to use the better known term instead of the more precise one.

And personally, I don't care what these organizations call themselves, as long as they include everyone who wants to be. I think it's a silly idea to use an all-inclusive initialization for a name anyway. Surely they can come up with something better. I was in a club called Out & About, but that got changed because it scared people who thought they had to be out to join or thought they would be forced to out themselves. Now it's lamely called "Pride", and I'm not a member because I don't live there anymore.


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10 Oct 2008, 4:07 am

Meh. I think the acronym needs an "A".


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10 Oct 2008, 6:44 am

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Meh. I think the acronym needs an "A".


The problem is that the ONLY ones that seem to believe that are those to which it applies. BTW it basically applies to me as well, so I am not disputing anything. I LOVE women, etc... but it isn't like that is ALL I think about, or HAVE to have sex, etc... A LOT of people tend to believe people like me can't exist with THAT attitude either. So I guess I have to say I am on the A-team, even if I am S also.



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10 Oct 2008, 7:19 am

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Anyway- I read it posted elsewhere that AS is the new gay. Interesting thought. Here I am still finding my way in this world as a 39 y/o gay man and now I have yet another closet to contemplate coming out of.


Yep. Very much the 'new gay'....'coming out', development of a sub-culture, the Aspie pride movement, celebration of neurological diversity, demand for recognition and rights... :D