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14 Oct 2008, 6:48 pm

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I'm wondering when others would be able to justify outright deceit. One of the things that has run through my mind why contemplating how I got myself fired is under what conditions I could lie. I certainly seem unable to even twist the truth when it comes to my defending myself. I did conclude that if it was necessary to protect someone else from harm I could justify it. Like if the Gestapo showed up at the door and I knew the neighbors were harboring Jews in the attic.


If one grows up in a very dysfunctional household which included almost daily physical abuse, one tends to develop many different defense mechanisms. Lying, done in order to keep one's skull from being bashed in by one's crazy paranoid mother, can at times be justified.


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14 Oct 2008, 6:52 pm

If you can perfect the art of omission, you never have to lie.

I really don't lie, but I can intentionally give a false impression. Some may call that a lie, but a sharp listener can catch me, so it really isn't. Intentionally misleading, yes. A lie, no. And I never use the technique to further an illegal or immoral goal. Um, not that I ever have illegal or immoral goals; just clarifying the difference between misleading for reasonable purposes (and done highly rarely) and misleading that is, in fact, fraud.


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14 Oct 2008, 6:56 pm

Rainstorm5 wrote:
waltr wrote:
I'm wondering when others would be able to justify outright deceit. One of the things that has run through my mind why contemplating how I got myself fired is under what conditions I could lie. I certainly seem unable to even twist the truth when it comes to my defending myself. I did conclude that if it was necessary to protect someone else from harm I could justify it. Like if the Gestapo showed up at the door and I knew the neighbors were harboring Jews in the attic.


If one grows up in a very dysfunctional household which included almost daily physical abuse, one tends to develop many different defense mechanisms. Lying, done in order to keep one's skull from being bashed in by one's crazy paranoid mother, can at times be justified.


In that case it's pure survival instinct.

It is frustrating and heartbreaking to know that anyone ever encounters this. I know they do, but I wish that were not true.


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15 Oct 2008, 11:36 am

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I disagree. While there are a lot of gray areas, there are a few absolute black and white areas.


Name just one that doesn't have a justified historical precedent.

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Some things are always right and some things are always wrong, regardless of conditions or circumstance.


Such as? I can give you a historical (or even current) example of when a "wrong behavior" today would've been completely acceptable. It just depends on the context.

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You can't be morally ambivalent about everything.


Yes I can- that's my special aspie strength, the ability to ride the fence indefinately and about pretty much anything.