What the hell is an 'NT'?

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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo
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26 Nov 2008, 10:31 am

Reading this thread I ask myself are people really that different?

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26 Nov 2008, 11:06 am

Yes, I am.

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26 Nov 2008, 11:10 am

lau wrote:

That bit I have to disagree with. "Autistic", as you had already stated, does not mean "damaged", just different. Also, even those people with "damaged" brains can certainly still be "neurotypical".

I agree with lau, even though I aready have read some authors using those terms ("damaged").

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26 Nov 2008, 11:18 am

jmfoster wrote:

Oh thanks, there was no real point opening this topic then haha.
I'm definately not one of those

On websites associated with the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator, NT=iNtuitive Thinking;
that may explain your confusion. (As an INTJ with Asperger's syndrome, I would be
NT by the MBTI definition, but not NT Neurologically Typical.)

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26 Nov 2008, 11:43 am

lau wrote:

Who on earth have you people been listening to?

Having a "mental disorder" is nothing to do with it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurotypical

Having non-typical neurological development just implies that our brain function is not quite the same as the majority of people. It doesn't imply "mental disorder". My mind is perfectly ordered - in fact, more ordered than most people's - hence I'm not typical.

Which is pretty much the same thing I said.

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26 Nov 2008, 11:53 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

Reading this thread I ask myself are people really that different?

I agree with you people are not that different. I am an NT (also extremly Extroverted) one of my best friend has ASD - I have known him for 8 years - and we muddled through friendship (very strong and sincere though) whilst he figured and told me 4 years ago that he had ASD - I didn't have clue what that meant but helped him with learning social norms -only becuase he asked.

I have another friend - much harder to deal with as he has perfected social norms (smiles, eye contact) so even though he kept telling me how he was different (but he hans't made the connection with ASD) I never figured he had ASD till I read an article - everything he said matches that. Now I feel like an idiot - how ignorant was I - and how annoying I must have been at times (many times!

But hey in the end we are still friends. If people are tolerant it works.

Point being people are not that different - social norms are just social norms - typcially people who don't judge and label people have no problem getting on with anyone. I think NTs need to get more educated on this.

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26 Nov 2008, 1:42 pm

b9 wrote:

functional illnesses are illness like schizophrenia where a person is predisposed, and an environmental trigger is the catalyst.
organic ones are where there is actual structural changes in the brain that account for the condition.

Schizophrenics actually do have organic changes to the brain. This has been demonstrated in numerous studies. Here are a few examples below:

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UCLA brain researchers using a powerful new technique have created the first images showing the devastating impact of schizophrenia on the brain. The findings, published in the Sept. 25 issue of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences*, show how a dynamic wave of tissue loss engulfs the brains of schizophrenic patients in their teen-age years....

The scientists, at UCLA and the National Institute of Mental Health, employed magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) technology to scan a group of teenagers repeatedly as they developed schizophrenia. Using a new image analysis method that detects very fine changes in the brain, the scientists detected gray matter loss of more than 10 percent first in the parietal, or outer, regions of the brain; this loss spread to engulf the rest of the brain over five years.

Patients with the worst brain tissue loss also had the worst symptoms, which included hallucinations, delusions, bizarre and psychotic thoughts, hearing voices, and depression. Schizophrenia affects an estimated 1 percent of Americans. Its causes are unknown, and the disease typically hits without warning in the late teens or 20s.

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Since 1976, many studies have consistently revealed enlarged lateral ventricular volumes in schizophrenia patients as compared to controls; in fact, this may be the most replicated finding in schizophrenia research. The significance of enlarged ventricular volume remains to be understood, as this condition also occurs in hydrocephalus, Alzheimer’s Disease, and Huntington’s Chorea.

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Several studies have reported reduced basal ganglia volumes in schizophrenia patients. It has been postulated that abnormal basal ganglia volumes may explain the abnormal involuntary movements and, possibly, the cognitive dysfunction seen in schizophrenia.

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Consistent with a recent shape analysis study of CC volumes, we found that the size of the [corpus callosum] was reduced in first-episode patients compared to both psychotic and normal controls. We also found these patients to have reduced volumes in regions of the corpus callosum, including the anterior genu, anterior body, isthmus, and anterior splenium. Furthermore, the normal age-related increase in size in CC volumes was absent in the first-episode schizophrenia patients, suggesting abnormal CC neurodevelopment in schizophrenia.

I don't consider schizophrenics to be neurotypical.

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26 Nov 2008, 1:54 pm

LifeOfTheSpectrum wrote:

If you don't think the same way as the majority, you're not NT.
If you do, you are NT.

Well then, I formally remove myself from the ranks of persons with Asperger's because I don't believe I am all that different- nor are my thoughts all that remarkably different- from the rest of my peers.
Huh- I'm cured!! !! !

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26 Nov 2008, 8:15 pm

NT=Neuro Typical

A societies version of mentaly "normal" funcioning individual. Someone not called "mentaly dissabled".

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26 Nov 2008, 8:48 pm

I personally view NT as someone who does not have any (or extremely few) autism or asperger traits (behaviors).
I've always seen it used in contrast to people who are on the spectrum.

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28 Nov 2008, 10:18 am

NocturnalQuilter wrote:

Execpt that AS is not a disease.

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28 Nov 2008, 11:22 am

This may shock you all but...

I have never met a single normal person in my life!

Everyone I met was a unique individual.
Some followed the crowd, other did not, but they were still all individuals with their own likes and dislikes.

Perhaps we should just regard someone's brain and ways of thinking as unique to that individual and respect the fact that everyone has a unique wiring.

Everyone has a unique wiring of neurons shaped by their own experiences and how their mental "hardware" was set up before they were born.

Perhaps if we looked at everyone's individual strengths and weaknesses taking one person at a time, that would be a better way of doing things?

Surely that's better than lumping people into broad categories and secretly hoping that there aren't any exceptions to the rule?

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28 Nov 2008, 11:56 am

AmberEyes wrote:

This may shock you all but...

I have never met a single normal person in my life!

Everyone I met was a unique individual.
Some followed the crowd, other did not, but they were still all individuals with their own likes and dislikes.

Perhaps we should just regard someone's brain and ways of thinking as unique to that individual and respect the fact that everyone has a unique wiring.

Everyone has a unique wiring of neurons shaped by their own experiences and how their mental "hardware" was set up before they were born.

Perhaps if we looked at everyone's individual strengths and weaknesses taking one person at a time, that would be a better way of doing things?

Surely that's better than lumping people into broad categories and secretly hoping that there aren't any exceptions to the rule?

this is the smartest thing I have heard all day.

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