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04 Dec 2008, 1:41 am

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In another thread, someone was talking about her mother's advice on friendship, and this reply was given. It seems to be an interesting topic, so I have started a new thread. The quote and my reply below.

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Perhaps you need to explain to your mom, there's this new thing called the internet. It provides the same thing she's talking about, except without having to go out into the world, and risk possible face to face rejection.


Same thing? I think not. An Aspie would certainly WANT to believe this (I know I would), but nothing beats being accepted warmly just as you are by a real human.

The Internet may actually be bad for Aspies. On the good side it allows us to make small talk in forums like this (even though we all protest we hate small talk). But on the bad side, the Internet is often a barrier between us and the real world. It becomes a place to hide. The Internet is a sometimes comforting, but always cold cocoon. It is no substitute for a warm hug from a caring person that deep down we all seem to want.


speak for yourself..only for yourself

1. warmth is a sensation of temperture....
2. Weather the brain is using a flesh and body to interct socialy or a computer its all the sa,e to me, with an equal value.
3excuse me? but how is being in front of you or the other side of the globe make someone less of a human being?
4. Its good for me.
5 the internet exists therefore is real.
6. allways a cold caoon? not for me, only i can say what aomething is for me.
7. I really hate hugs

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04 Dec 2008, 2:46 am

I think a perfect example of internet being bad for not just Aspies but NTs as well: World of Warcraft.


I know this one guy who has been on welfare for a few years now. Only leaves his house for 2 reasons, either to do groceries or to walk his aunts dog every saturday (cause he gets paid for it). He spends the rest of his time playing warcraft. When i would go visit his roommate i rarely ever seen him get out of his room, and that one time he actually did to play a game of Risk with us, he told us he can only play for so long cause hes expected back at a certain time for a raid.



So yeah, not just bad for aspies.



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04 Dec 2008, 2:52 am

prillix wrote:
I think a perfect example of internet being bad for not just Aspies but NTs as well: World of Warcraft.


I know this one guy who has been on welfare for a few years now. Only leaves his house for 2 reasons, either to do groceries or to walk his aunts dog every saturday (cause he gets paid for it). He spends the rest of his time playing warcraft. When i would go visit his roommate i rarely ever seen him get out of his room, and that one time he actually did to play a game of Risk with us, he told us he can only play for so long cause hes expected back at a certain time for a raid.



So yeah, not just bad for aspies.


Wow...a great thing on the internet of the greatest thing.



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04 Dec 2008, 8:27 am

donhz wrote:
In another thread, someone was talking about her mother's advice on friendship, and this reply was given. It seems to be an interesting topic, so I have started a new thread. The quote and my reply below.

violet_yoshi wrote:
Perhaps you need to explain to your mom, there's this new thing called the internet. It provides the same thing she's talking about, except without having to go out into the world, and risk possible face to face rejection.


Same thing? I think not. An Aspie would certainly WANT to believe this (I know I would), but nothing beats being accepted warmly just as you are by a real human.

The Internet may actually be bad for Aspies. On the good side it allows us to make small talk in forums like this (even though we all protest we hate small talk). But on the bad side, the Internet is often a barrier between us and the real world. It becomes a place to hide. The Internet is a sometimes comforting, but always cold cocoon. It is no substitute for a warm hug from a caring person that deep down we all seem to want.


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... damn those fake humans who are infesting teh internet...


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04 Dec 2008, 9:47 am

Another good thing about the internet is it's so much information right at your fingertips. I don't have to trudge to a bookstore or library, although I don't mind going to bookstores, they're interesting and full of cool people (what I consider cool people) most of the time.
I can research on the internet, then go find a book at Borders after finding out the details without leaving my living room.
It's great for information addicts, that is, if the information online is accurate, which isn't always the case.



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04 Dec 2008, 9:59 am

I love the Internet and I disagree, it is not bad for Aspies, or anyone for that matter.

I wouldnt feel accepted without the Internet as school is certainly not a friendly environment and I only have 3-4 friends, and I think only one of them is a true friend anyway.

Through the Internet, I have many friends from this forum and others, so I can talk to people interested in what I am and other Aspies who understand me.

My best friend is a Aspie who I met online (weirdly, on a South Park site, but still).

The Internet is fantastic for Aspies.



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04 Dec 2008, 3:12 pm

Who_Am_I wrote:
donhz wrote:
In another thread, someone was talking about her mother's advice on friendship, and this reply was given. It seems to be an interesting topic, so I have started a new thread. The quote and my reply below.

violet_yoshi wrote:
Perhaps you need to explain to your mom, there's this new thing called the internet. It provides the same thing she's talking about, except without having to go out into the world, and risk possible face to face rejection.


Same thing? I think not. An Aspie would certainly WANT to believe this (I know I would), but nothing beats being accepted warmly just as you are by a real human.

The Internet may actually be bad for Aspies. On the good side it allows us to make small talk in forums like this (even though we all protest we hate small talk). But on the bad side, the Internet is often a barrier between us and the real world. It becomes a place to hide. The Internet is a sometimes comforting, but always cold cocoon. It is no substitute for a warm hug from a caring person that deep down we all seem to want.


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... damn those fake humans who are infesting the internet...


Okay, point taken. The humans on the Internet are not fake. :lol: But we experience people differently when we share physical presence with them (not just virtual presence) and I have come to learn that balance is needed.

Obviously, I don't think the Internet is totally bad for Aspies... I'm here after all. As I said in the original post, it may be bad if it becomes a barrier to the "real" (non-virtual) world. If the Internet is a stepping stone to helping people deal with the physical presence of others, all the better.



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04 Dec 2008, 3:58 pm

I actually really enjoy the internet. I don't think it is as bad as everyone seems to think. And I'm with eggman... I HATE hugs. :)



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04 Dec 2008, 4:10 pm

I fell in love with someone over the internet before we even met face to face.

We're married now and have been together almost five years.

So yeah my point is, real life interaction is overrated. Emotions, love, etc can be felt over the internet too.


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04 Dec 2008, 4:11 pm

I like the socialising on the internet, because there are not the distractions of body language, tone of voice, etc, nor are there sensory distractions that I can find overwhelming. For me, it's a place where I can socialise more easily, and focus better. It also helps me understand more about interaction and group behaviour, because it is easier to observe in a contained online setting.

However, for me, as an Aspie, it is bad for me in this respect - once I am doing something, I have a lot of difficulty stopping what I am doing and moving on to something else. So it is very easy for me to spend hours and hours on the internet, when there are other things I should be doing.

So I am trying to find a balance between socialising on the internet (which I think is a good thing) and not spending all my time online.



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04 Dec 2008, 8:33 pm

capriwim wrote:
However, for me, as an Aspie, it is bad for me in this respect - once I am doing something, I have a lot of difficulty stopping what I am doing and moving on to something else. So it is very easy for me to spend hours and hours on the internet, when there are other things I should be doing.

So I am trying to find a balance between socialising on the internet (which I think is a good thing) and not spending all my time online.


I think that's it really - Anything's a good thing in moderation!

One thing I've noticed on WP is that ppl seem to project their personalities through written words alone; I guess the younger generation in general ( :oops: ) sees 'socialising' as something you can do in that way. I don't know if this is just with ppl they've met, and suspect that NTs still tend to come across more same-ey (in a way that they're not when they interact face2face mind you) when they write, as if they're disengaged somehow. For me personally, I don't express myself the way I do face-to-face when I'm online, just exchanging ideas (I hope!), which I also enjoy



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05 Dec 2008, 3:03 am

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05 Dec 2008, 3:21 am

AHH EGGMAN.

Ahem, sorry.

The internet has been a godsend to me, personally. Without it, I would never have met my girlfriend, who I have happily been with for 10 years now and am currently at University with. She's from America, I'm from the UK, we met in a chatroom and now we live together. Happy ending.

Also, after dropping out of school at 14, I was at my lowest point. Without the internet, I would have been cut off completely. I would never have known that there were other people like me. It also allows me to communicate better and overcome my social anxieties in a controlled environment.

Admittedly, I have a slight addiction to being online... it can consume my days and overtake me sometimes. But I still believe that the 'net is the best thing to have happened to me and that it greatly improved my quality of life.


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05 Dec 2008, 3:40 am

prillix wrote:
I think a perfect example of internet being bad for not just Aspies but NTs as well: World of Warcraft.


I know this one guy who has been on welfare for a few years now. Only leaves his house for 2 reasons, either to do groceries or to walk his aunts dog every saturday (cause he gets paid for it). He spends the rest of his time playing warcraft. When i would go visit his roommate i rarely ever seen him get out of his room, and that one time he actually did to play a game of Risk with us, he told us he can only play for so long cause hes expected back at a certain time for a raid.



So yeah, not just bad for aspies.



Those people piss me off. But then again I shouldn't let them get to me because it is not my problem. But people living off of welfare just so they can play a computer game? :x



05 Dec 2008, 3:45 am

I do better online because I don't freeze up and I have time to think what to say and respond. I suck at responding in real life, I freeze up, don't give out good answers. When I want to talk, I have to think what am I going to say and how am I going to say it. I do the same on here too. I also do better with bullies when I say combats. I suck in real life. You can't pause and think what am I going to say to that comment. mmmmm. In real life I just most likely freeze up and don't say anything.

I do have to write things down in my notebook what I want to say. My mother has helped me with that in the past. She would have me take out a piece of paper and write down what I am going to say when I needed to talk to someone like my boss.



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05 Dec 2008, 3:52 am

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AHH EGGMAN.

Ahem, sorry.

The internet has been a godsend to me, personally. Without it, I would never have met my girlfriend, who I have happily been with for 10 years now and am currently at University with. She's from America, I'm from the UK, we met in a chatroom and now we live together. Happy ending.

Also, after dropping out of school at 14, I was at my lowest point. Without the internet, I would have been cut off completely. I would never have known that there were other people like me. It also allows me to communicate better and overcome my social anxieties in a controlled environment.

Admittedly, I have a slight addiction to being online... it can consume my days and overtake me sometimes. But I still believe that the 'net is the best thing to have happened to me and that it greatly improved my quality of life.


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