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04 Dec 2008, 8:11 pm

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I was walking with two people I know today and we some how got discussing Einstein and one of them said "Did you know Einstein couldn't tie his shoes?" and me, who had read a biography about Einstein and obsess over him at times, said "no I think that is just a myth, like the myth that he flunked a math class which isn't true". Then one of them said "No it is true Einstein had Aspergers he was autistic, he couldn't tie his own shoes even as an adult. My little brother has Aspergers, trust me I know". I was a little shocked that the person thought of Aspergers like this when it seems like she would be better informed knowing her brother and all. I wanted to tell her she was wrong but didn't want to end up fighting because i was a little worked up over the discussion and knew it would come out a little angry.

Would that bother you hearing an opinion of Aspergers like that? What would you all have done in this situation? Correct them?


I'd say 'you're confusing Asperger's with Dyspraxia' or something smart arse like that.
She acts that she knows what Asperger's is like because she knows one person with it. We all know that people with As are not affected in the same way.



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04 Dec 2008, 9:28 pm

And I just watched the whole history channel show on him so I know everything about him. Im kidding but still, I feel after MUCH research(he was a childhood obsession of mine), I feel he relates to asperger's more than nt.

Sure, he loved to talk, but think about it. How many of us love to talk about our fascinations? The answer is most, if not all of us. And so he learned a few how do you do's, some charismatic conversation, is it that far fetched an aspie could pick these things up?

He wrote extremely complex things in a way a layman could understand. So did william shakespeare, so did leonardo da vinci(if you could read backwards and in his terrible handwriting). Sir Issac newton put gravity into simply; what goes up, must come down. These are our fore fathers, the ones who were us before we ever knew what asperger's was.

The only difference? The common culture has changed, or rather, declined into a state of ignorant expression. I wear baggy jeans and a hat backwards so I must be cool. Or I wear gucci and dolce & gabana(however its spelled) so I must be sophisticated. Really, I thought you were just spending more money on clothing.

I dont believe he couldnt tie his shoes his whole life, but he might have had a delay. He was a quiet kid, he just broke his shell once he realized how important he could really be... Oh, and he didnt comb his hair because he didnt care about it! He had more important things on his mind than how others thought his hair looked.



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04 Dec 2008, 9:40 pm

Oh, and the whole, most aspies cant put things in a way others could understand... Do you know how long Einstein worked on the theory of relativity? It wasnt a spur of the moment day dream, I'll tell you that much. He worked on it for years. Id think if you worked on something for YEARS, you could figure out how to explain it so that your PEERS could understand it.

Realize I said peers, not layman. MOST people didnt understand the theory of relativity until much more recently, and even still, not EVERYONE understands it. And hell, it took einstein TWO theories to FULLY explain what he wanted to, as well as make sure it was correct. Did you know that it wasnt till his SPECIAL theory of relativity that he finally had worked out all its mysteries. He realized a flaw in the general theory based on how time works with speed, to make it so it related to everything and not just space.

I'd say it took an ASPIE'S PERSERVERANCE to work endlessly for years of your life on a scientific theory, only so you could help the world understand itself better(as well as get that nobel prize money to better feed his family).



04 Dec 2008, 9:42 pm

Yes I heard he couldn't tie his shoes. It took me awhile to learn when I was six. I remember I was still having troubles when I was seven even though I knew how it was done. I can remember sitting out and playing with my shoe laces trying to get them tied and my teacher accused me of skipping out in PE when all I was doing was trying to do was get my shoes tied. She could have helped me. Maybe I should have asked her to tie them for me but wait, I was told I was a big girl and I was old enough to do it myself when I was six. :roll:



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05 Dec 2008, 12:29 am

[quote="Callista"]It's far more likely that he simply forgot to comb his hair. I was able to do it when I was four, but still don't comb my hair more than once daily, as part of my shower routine. it's part of the reason I keep my hair short--otherwise, it would be a tangled mess.[/quote

Right. It's possible to be capable of doing things most people cannot do, but at the same time incapable of "simple" things which the overwhelming majority of people do. I've had periods in my life when I didn't brush my hair, or didn't brush it properly, resulting in rather embarrassing messes. I know almost nothing about Einstein, but it's entirely within the realm of possibility that someone could excel at certain tasks while really struggling with others.



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05 Dec 2008, 1:31 am

The NT culture, which militarily occupies our planet, has a deep need for mythology.

Especially belittling mythology. Great artists must be raving drunks. Great physicists must be hopeless at simple tasks. Great inventors are workaholic loners. And so on. It's made-for-TV irony.

The subtle and complex truths are not on TV. Einstein was not the greatest genius ever. He was a great physicist, a mediocre mathematician, a lousy violin player, a good teacher, a stumbling but noble activist, and a bad student.
He had one great idea in 1906. it turned out to be right - he did a big elaboration on that idea which also turned out to be right, then spent the rest of his life chasing an idea that turned out to be wrong.

He was a mix far more messy and nuanced than the vulgar caricature of the ethereal genius unable to tie his shoes.
Not a mythical mashup of extremes,



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05 Dec 2008, 1:44 am

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Yes I heard he couldn't tie his shoes. It took me awhile to learn when I was six. I remember I was still having troubles when I was seven even though I knew how it was done. I can remember sitting out and playing with my shoe laces trying to get them tied and my teacher accused me of skipping out in PE when all I was doing was trying to do was get my shoes tied. She could have helped me. Maybe I should have asked her to tie them for me but wait, I was told I was a big girl and I was old enough to do it myself when I was six. :roll:

When I was 6 I still couldn't tie my shoelaces so I developed my own messy way of tying them. A year later I got those velcro strap shoes and these plastic springy laces.



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05 Dec 2008, 2:30 am

I dont think tieing shoes has to do with anyones intellegence, i know a couple kids who cant tie their shoes and its because of their lack of motor skills. Knew a boy perfectly normal, happy boy, except he just had problems doing day to day things because of his motor skills, didnt learn to tie his shoes until he was 10. I didnt learn until i was way past 8, had velcro, those weird twist things haha, everything you can imagine. still have problems tieing my shoes. and from what i read and heard einstein didnt talk until he was 4, that would consider him more classic or pddnos rather then aspergers. thats just my thought on that.


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05 Dec 2008, 2:45 am

I only learned to tie my shoes when I was 12 years old. And only the double-loop method, not the single-loop method.



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05 Dec 2008, 4:19 am

I "learned" to tie my shoes when I was 16. Unfortunately, no velcro shoes back in the day. However, saying people who can't tie their shoes would be like saying ... whatever. There's no direct correlation. One of my aunts couldn't tell time on a standard wall clock until she was in college, but she's not an Aspie.



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05 Dec 2008, 5:15 am

Should be remembered that Einstein's son was schiziophrenic. Perhaps the Einstein's "excentricities" had more to do with some mild schiziphrenic/schizotypyc tendencies than with autism/aspergers?



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05 Dec 2008, 5:23 am

NeverMore8123 wrote:
I was walking with two people I know today and we some how got discussing Einstein and one of them said "Did you know Einstein couldn't tie his shoes?" and me, who had read a biography about Einstein and obsess over him at times, said "no I think that is just a myth, like the myth that he flunked a math class which isn't true". Then one of them said "No it is true Einstein had Aspergers he was autistic, he couldn't tie his own shoes even as an adult. My little brother has Aspergers, trust me I know". I was a little shocked that the person thought of Aspergers like this when it seems like she would be better informed knowing her brother and all. I wanted to tell her she was wrong but didn't want to end up fighting because i was a little worked up over the discussion and knew it would come out a little angry.

Would that bother you hearing an opinion of Aspergers like that? What would you all have done in this situation? Correct them?


I would've just said, "Despite how the media wants to delude everyone into believing everyone who is on the Autism spectrum is exactly the same, it's not true. Just cause Einstein may have had Asperger's Syndrome, and your brother has Asperger's Syndrome and he's unable to tie his shoes, does not mean Einstein was the same way."



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05 Dec 2008, 7:44 am

It took me till I was 14 to tie my shoes, and even now I only tie them when I have to, (and with difficulty, I have to focus really hard to tell my fingers what to do) I just slip them off and on my feet.

I've never learnt how to tie a tie, I think there might be a mental block as when I was 7 or 8 my teacher found out I couldn't do my tie and brought me up in front of the whole class and said "look everyone..<my name>.....can't tie her tie, shall we show her how" I was completeoly humiliated, and my mum went up to the school to complain.



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05 Dec 2008, 9:22 am

Spokane_Girl wrote:
Yes I heard he couldn't tie his shoes. It took me awhile to learn when I was six. I remember I was still having troubles when I was seven even though I knew how it was done. I can remember sitting out and playing with my shoe laces trying to get them tied and my teacher accused me of skipping out in PE when all I was doing was trying to do was get my shoes tied. She could have helped me. Maybe I should have asked her to tie them for me but wait, I was told I was a big girl and I was old enough to do it myself when I was six. :roll:


Fit to be tied topic

I am of the age when kids had buckle shoes. I dreaded ties. I think I was older than six before I really mastered this. I had to imagine each step visually and practice furiously.

Even now, this is still the way I learn. Others might recognize this .


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05 Dec 2008, 10:31 am

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For example Steven Hawkings may be our modern equivalent with Einstein but even many of Hawkings peers cannot fully understand some of his theories and philosophies because he can't express himself in laymans terms.
You have OBVIOUSLY never read his popular-science books.

Start with "A Brief History of Time". Or "The Universe in a Nutshell." They are both at a high school level.

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Feynman is also very understandable--and also theorized to be Aspie.

Some of Hawking's theories do take high-level science to understand and use fully; but he is quite capable of making them simpler to understand.


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05 Dec 2008, 10:32 am

Einstein was not an aspie because aspies typically develope their speech on time. Enistein didn't speak until he was about 4. He was a high functioning autistic.


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