Aspie traits that aren't diagnostic criteria

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05 Dec 2008, 8:58 pm

I relate to all of these things.
As a child, I had a library full of interesting facts about animals, plants, and other organisms. I love the creapy crawlies, like insects, spiders, and harvestmen. I wish I had a pet spider. Also I have an obsession with birds and their social behaviours.

I'm depended on concrete evidence. I have a hard time believing in things unless I have studied it enough. Unlike people who just believe articles on studies they read, I ask myself questions like (where did they get these numbers from? did they compare it to a placebo, an alternative, and the test product? ect).
I feel like I'm rambling again.



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05 Dec 2008, 9:02 pm

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- Doesn't lie/use sarcasm
- Takes everything literally/doesn't "get" sarcasm

I definitely had a reputation in high school as one of the most sarcastic people.


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05 Dec 2008, 9:19 pm

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Clumsiness is one of the criteria listed, I thought.
Face blindness
Although clumsiness can be dyspraxia, and wouldn't that be more of a dual diagnosis thing? i.e. like someone could be Aspie and dyslexic, or Aspie and dyspraxic...?



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06 Dec 2008, 6:31 pm

Does anyone have anything to add?



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06 Dec 2008, 8:21 pm

A strong sense of justice.
A dislike for teamwork. (duh! :P )



I disagree with poor sense of humour, I have a weird sense of humour and find stuff funny, that others don't get.
I also have a totally odd gait, sometimes it's like a marionette, it's like I forgot how to walk properly, and I keep thinking: "left foot, now right foot..." until I get into the walking rhythm.
It's a dyspraxia thing, I think.



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07 Dec 2008, 8:14 am

Wow thanks for the list. I overcame some of the physical, linguistic traits with some deep training, but this is otherwise me. The only trait that doesn't fit is organizing/arranging everything. I have another strange variant: I'm wildly disorganized because once I start sorting anything, I have to create a complex system before I'm done. So I never organize anything for fear of becoming obsessed with that organization activity.

Something that looking at your list has put me onto just now: I think that as I train myself out of the verbal, physical, social traits, I get worse in the personality traits. The more verbal and social I become, the worse problems I have with anger, etc. I think that is because I am working on superficial features of social skills while not developing the personality and affect-control features. So my self-development is lopsided (I am more autistic than I sound or appear).

This list you posted was so enlightening. By seeing it all up like that, it's a great self-assessment snapshot. Thank you.



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07 Dec 2008, 9:50 am

UnusualSuspect wrote:
Clumsiness is one of the criteria listed, I thought.
Face blindness


It's mentioned, but it's not a necessary criterion but instead 'associated with Asperger's'.

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I have been told that it is and also that it isn't :? I am a toe walker, and it is one of the reasons I started thinking that I was more As than just ADD.

A lot of people on here seem to be toe-walkers and I recently read it in a book about autistic spectrum disorders.


Thats good, because I was disgruntled when someone tried to tell me it was not necc. related to AS.


Well it is not necessarily related to AS. Not every toe-walker has AS.

Or do I miss an underlying context here?


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07 Dec 2008, 4:06 pm

Kara wrote:
A strong sense of justice.
Can you elaborate on that?



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07 Dec 2008, 5:03 pm

Tony Attwood listed it, but some other researcher whose name I forgot mentioned it also.

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"The person is usually renowned for being direct, speaking their mind and being honest and determined and having a strong sense of social justice."

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07 Dec 2008, 8:27 pm

ephemerella wrote:
I am working on superficial features of social skills while not developing the personality and affect-control features. So my self-development is lopsided (I am more autistic than I sound or appear).



thank you for saying what ive been thinking about myself aswel, i just didnt find the right words:)

its my great lie, the big theater performance. do you know how to live without it, i mean are there times in your daily life where you let go of these adaptations and just behave like yourself? as i am trying to rediscover myself in this respect.



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07 Dec 2008, 10:07 pm

Gastrointestinal problems.

hmm well I get constipated. i think i have irritable bowel syndrome.

http://www.aspergerchild.com/articles/c ... -diet-help
wow, I think I just found some diet advice.

1 paragraph from the article

Children with autistic spectrum disorders usually have gastrointestinal problems as well, such as reflux, constipation, diarrhea, vomiting and hiccups. It is know that the proteins found in wheat, rye, oats, barley and dairy products (gluten and casein) aren't completely broken down in children with Autistic Spectrum Disorders. These undigested proteins can leak into the bloodstream, potentially interfering with neurological processes by having an opiate-like effect upon their systems.


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08 Dec 2008, 1:42 am

vivinator wrote:
Gastrointestinal problems.

hmm well I get constipated. i think i have irritable bowel syndrome.

http://www.aspergerchild.com/articles/c ... -diet-help
wow, I think I just found some diet advice.

1 paragraph from the article

Children with autistic spectrum disorders usually have gastrointestinal problems as well, such as reflux, constipation, diarrhea, vomiting and hiccups. It is know that the proteins found in wheat, rye, oats, barley and dairy products (gluten and casein) aren't completely broken down in children with Autistic Spectrum Disorders. These undigested proteins can leak into the bloodstream, potentially interfering with neurological processes by having an opiate-like effect upon their systems.


I have these digestion issues. What is really embarrasing is if you are out in public and get a really bad case of acid indigestion and there is no bathroom in sight, and you need one NOW , but instead you have to resort to barfing in a trashcan. :oops:



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08 Dec 2008, 3:09 am

Kara wrote:
"The person is usually renowned for being direct, speaking their mind and being honest and determined and having a strong sense of social justice."


Which translates into: the person is usually blunt and fails to censor his thoughts, and is also insensitive to other people's emotional and social states (interrupting, talks at people, fails to respond appropriately, doesn't see what he does wrong when he hurts people, fails to see that he is at fault, etcetera), all leading to social isolation, social failure and bullying.

There's two sides to the same coin, and both tell the same thing.

As for the "traits", I think they're all there, perhaps apart from sensory sensitivities, but it's unknown if these are in fact specific to Autism only, or that they are there too in Asperger's (it may be that those who have AS that have them actually have Autism, rather than Asperger's, or, they aren't clinically noteworthy compared to those with Autistic Disorder).

Sensory sensitivities aren't in any "official" diagnostic criteria for Asperger's, whether in the criteria themselves or in the expanded text.



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08 Dec 2008, 11:01 am

Vulcan wrote:
ephemerella wrote:
I am working on superficial features of social skills while not developing the personality and affect-control features. So my self-development is lopsided (I am more autistic than I sound or appear).



thank you for saying what ive been thinking about myself aswel, i just didnt find the right words:)

its my great lie, the big theater performance. do you know how to live without it, i mean are there times in your daily life where you let go of these adaptations and just behave like yourself? as i am trying to rediscover myself in this respect.


Also sound a bit like me, looking at your avatar it looks a lot like my test. I learned to read and write before i started at school, without much help, and have never had any spech disorder, besides that I like to play with names and words so that they come out totally different after some time, but this is just for fun. I think I was very young when I found out I was different, and studied others and imitated others from I was just a kid. Grown ups around me allways thought I'd become an actor when I got older. Since that I've become a quite good imitator, both in voices and moves. Knowing what I do today, about AS, that's probably the outcome of my way to cope with life.
I'm also a bad( or good) organizer and hypersensed to impressions. Therefore I can organize and perform well at work, but then my head is full, so I don't do much when the working day is over. Also like to mention that My social skills was better as a kid then now, It appears so to me, when I think back


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08 Dec 2008, 2:24 pm

mosez wrote:
Vulcan wrote:
ephemerella wrote:
I am working on superficial features of social skills while not developing the personality and affect-control features. So my self-development is lopsided (I am more autistic than I sound or appear).



thank you for saying what ive been thinking about myself aswel, i just didnt find the right words:)

its my great lie, the big theater performance. do you know how to live without it, i mean are there times in your daily life where you let go of these adaptations and just behave like yourself? as i am trying to rediscover myself in this respect.


Also sound a bit like me, looking at your avatar it looks a lot like my test. I learned to read and write before i started at school, without much help, and have never had any spech disorder, besides that I like to play with names and words so that they come out totally different after some time, but this is just for fun. I think I was very young when I found out I was different, and studied others and imitated others from I was just a kid. Grown ups around me allways thought I'd become an actor when I got older. Since that I've become a quite good imitator, both in voices and moves. Knowing what I do today, about AS, that's probably the outcome of my way to cope with life.
I'm also a bad( or good) organizer and hypersensed to impressions. Therefore I can organize and perform well at work, but then my head is full, so I don't do much when the working day is over. Also like to mention that My social skills was better as a kid then now, It appears so to me, when I think back


i too have a thing for language and i speak a few: Mandarin, German, Hebrew, Japanese ect, but mostly on a basic level...but its funny as i am not much good at Norwegian:P i am actually better at English..

i too agree, it seems the older i get the worse my social skills seem to become, or atleast so it seems, it might well be thought that i am just becoming more aware of myself and so notice my errors more then before...i think the latter is the more correct notion..

i am also aware that i often think i understand every social situation and that i can sense what people are feeling, only to have my friends tell me that my notion was totally wrong and that i am utterly clueless...



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08 Dec 2008, 3:12 pm

Vulcan wrote:
mosez wrote:
Vulcan wrote:
ephemerella wrote:
I am working on superficial features of social skills while not developing the personality and affect-control features. So my self-development is lopsided (I am more autistic than I sound or appear).



thank you for saying what ive been thinking about myself aswel, i just didnt find the right words:)

its my great lie, the big theater performance. do you know how to live without it, i mean are there times in your daily life where you let go of these adaptations and just behave like yourself? as i am trying to rediscover myself in this respect.


Also sound a bit like me, looking at your avatar it looks a lot like my test. I learned to read and write before i started at school, without much help, and have never had any spech disorder, besides that I like to play with names and words so that they come out totally different after some time, but this is just for fun. I think I was very young when I found out I was different, and studied others and imitated others from I was just a kid. Grown ups around me allways thought I'd become an actor when I got older. Since that I've become a quite good imitator, both in voices and moves. Knowing what I do today, about AS, that's probably the outcome of my way to cope with life.
I'm also a bad( or good) organizer and hypersensed to impressions. Therefore I can organize and perform well at work, but then my head is full, so I don't do much when the working day is over. Also like to mention that My social skills was better as a kid then now, It appears so to me, when I think back


i too have a thing for language and i speak a few: Mandarin, German, Hebrew, Japanese ect, but mostly on a basic level...but its funny as i am not much good at Norwegian:P i am actually better at English..

i too agree, it seems the older i get the worse my social skills seem to become, or atleast so it seems, it might well be thought that i am just becoming more aware of myself and so notice my errors more then before...i think the latter is the more correct notion..

i am also aware that i often think i understand every social situation and that i can sense what people are feeling, only to have my friends tell me that my notion was totally wrong and that i am utterly clueless...


Not so with me, I allways pays notice to my inner voice. You was not norwegian in your former post? You Changed your profile. Why?


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