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05 Dec 2008, 8:59 pm

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This would be my first question..is it typical for an autistic person to be in denial of their illness and not want to share even though they are very much loved and always treated with respect?

If you've met one autistics person... you've met one autistic person. I can't say what's "typical" of autistics since I haven't met very many, but I have yet to run into an Autie in denial. Also, semantic clarification: autism is not an illness, and referring to it as such is likely to direct some flames in your direction on this site. (WP is VERY pro-neurodiversity, almost to a caricatured level)

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He has obsessions like watching the Wizard of Oz anytime it is on. He is obsessed with Christmas movies and Christmas in general. Last year he and my daughter(who was mortified but loving and patient)had their picture taken with the MACY's Santa.
He is obsessed with collecting and playing board games.

Special interests, repetition/routine, and lack of understanding of appropriate social conduct (that adults do not get their pictures taken with Santa) all sound like autistic traits.

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Body movements: he sometimes does this weird motion of rubbing/patting his stomach or constntly running his hand through his hair(too many times)

Stereotyped and repetitive motor mannerisms (stimming) also an autistic trait.

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He has heightened fears. He does not like driving to new places, driving in the rain or snow(will walk 4 miles back and forth to work to avoid a light rain)or bright sun. I hate to see him in pain so I have put at least 1000 miles on my car this year to drive him to appointments and job interviews etc.

Attachment to a routine.

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Poor manners and childlike and extremely fussy about what he eats. One time I made I was extremely proud of and he said "THAT WAS AWFUL"(this would be okay if he were 8 yrs old, not 43) He has learned from that incident though and just keeps his mouth shut

Autistics tend to lack the social graces.

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One more thing he is extremely trusting of peope to the point that he is being taken advantage of. Example: he has been "working" for a company for the last 4-5 months and he has yet to be paid(remember he is dirt poor plus he had to pay gas to go back and forth to this "job".

Yes, autistics are often taken advantage of.

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Do autistic people ever marry? Financially he will be fine if he stays with my daughter..but after all these years it is always the same childish gift every year..a stuffed animal and a snow globe.
Why can't he give her a piece of jewelry or something a little more mature?

Yes, autistics marry. Why does every gift have to be jewelry?


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05 Dec 2008, 9:26 pm

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I believe he shows the classic signs of AS. As for being "grabbie" you should speak to him . He could be playing around, yet he should not do that.


It actually would be kind of you to gently point out to him why this behavior is wrong. He may be so innocent and child-like that he has no clue how he should be behaving at his age. Being grabbie around the wrong woman can land a man in jail or at the very least with a fine and a police record.



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05 Dec 2008, 9:32 pm

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One more thing he is extremely trusting of peope to the point that he is being taken advantage of. Example: he has been "working" for a company for the last 4-5 months and he has yet to be paid(remember he is dirt poor plus he had to pay gas to go back and forth to this "job".




Maybe you should talk to him about this? He shouldn't be putting in those hours for four to five months without getting a paycheck. It's not fair.



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05 Dec 2008, 9:50 pm

Fair? it's not even legal!


Some of it sounds familiar, but some is beyond me. I liked marriage so much, I did it twice (not at the same time, tho...;)



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05 Dec 2008, 10:40 pm

"Sexual odditities: My daughter who is extremely patient and kind tells me they have never consumated their relationship and when questioned he says he is not ready..huh?? Please explain because sometimes he has been inappropriate with me(my daughter does not know)..he has grabbed me several times briefly and I just pretend I didn't know anything happened as does he..is this some kind of tic?? "

say what?? where did he grab you and did you say something to him about it?



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05 Dec 2008, 11:00 pm

Okay, first thing that needs to stop. WE ARE NOT ILL!! !
Do not talk about autism as though we are 'sick' -it's rude and demeaning.

Second, of coarse we marry! We even date and have kids too.

Okay, your daughter's boyfriend may be autsitc. His social oddities seem to fit but you should really talk to a professional.


If he does have autism that should not change how you see him.



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05 Dec 2008, 11:08 pm

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"Sexual odditities: My daughter who is extremely patient and kind tells me they have never consumated their relationship and when questioned he says he is not ready..huh?? Please explain because sometimes he has been inappropriate with me(my daughter does not know)..he has grabbed me several times briefly and I just pretend I didn't know anything happened as does he..is this some kind of tic?? "

say what?? where did he grab you and did you say something to him about it?


Yes. You should have. You can't let him think that you don't mind his inappropriate advances. His mind might work like a child's: "She didn't say no, so it must be okay." This could pan out to other women, if it hasn't already, and then your daughter would most certainly find out. How would she feel? In addition, he says he's not ready and yet you've implied that he and your daughter have been dating for years? Also, he's 43? This would be believable if they're both devout Christians who don't want to engage in premarital sex. If that were the case, I think you would have mentioned it. If your daughter wants to have children, she's only got about ten years on the clock. Timer starts now.

Why are you so tolerant of him? Do you honestly see him and your daughter together forever? This might sound anti-autistic, but don't you have higher standards for your daughter?

Yes, I realize that he's being taken advantage of and yes, I realize that he likely depends alot on both you and your daughter. Yes, I realize it may difficult to say no to him because you're such a nice, compassionate person. However, I think it's time to set your compassion aside and show some disapproval. Have a serious talk with your daughter.



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05 Dec 2008, 11:51 pm

It sure sounds like he is autistic to me. He probably doesn't know that his condition is known as autism. In the 60's and 70's autism was rarely discussed even in professional circles. When I was in school, there was no such thing as I.E.P. (Individual Education Plan), or other such types of special programs. The guy's parents probably have not heard of the word, "autism." A was autistic from birth, and it wasn't until I was three that my mom found out the name for my condition. It has only been in the last 6 years that autism has become a well known word.


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06 Dec 2008, 12:45 am

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Can you not know how to accept and how to treat him unless he has a diagnosis? Must he have a neurological condition for you to accept his behavior; cannot it not merely be who he is at heart?

I also think many people will take offense to the line "I want him to recognize he has a problem." Many of us on the spectrum do not view it as a problem, particularly not one we need to "accept" in that way. It almost sounds like equating autism and alcoholism or drug addiction, a comparison which makes no sense to me.

Maybe he is autistic, maybe he's just different, either way your badgering him or his family about it will solve nothing.


Well autism need not be defined as a "problem". But you can't deny that it causes problems, and these problems should be recognized and addressed.

I wouldn't even focus on autism, I'd focus on the individual problems and how to fix them.


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06 Dec 2008, 2:39 pm

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One more thing he is extremely trusting of peope to the point that he is being taken advantage of. Example: he has been "working" for a company for the last 4-5 months and he has yet to be paid(remember he is dirt poor plus he had to pay gas to go back and forth to this "job".




Maybe you should talk to him about this? He shouldn't be putting in those hours for four to five months without getting a paycheck. It's not fair.


My question would be is he REALLY working for this company? Or is it in his mind? Or did he pick up volunteer work and is trying to pan it off that they are not paying him when they aren't suppose to?

If this guy is autistic it seems like he is extremely affected by it and he does have problems that need to be addressed especially before his parents die since he is apparently dependent on others to provide the basics. Honestly it would be good to get him in counseling and for a neuropsych evaluation, but I don't know how you would pull that one off.



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06 Dec 2008, 4:10 pm

OK, I think I have AS... AS is a kind of autism. If you met me, you might even think I was normal. I originally just thought I was shy, hypersensitive, and had idiosyncrasies.

Riese wrote:
He has obsessions like watching the Wizard of Oz anytime it is on. He is obsessed with Christmas movies and Christmas in general. Last year he and my daughter(who was mortified but loving and patient)had their picture taken with the MACY's Santa.
He is obsessed with collecting and playing board games.


Those are potential obsessions that could qualify.

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Body movements: he sometimes does this weird motion of rubbing/patting his stomach or constntly running his hand through his hair(too many times)


That's something. I run and pat my arms and run my hands over my hair too much. nobody ever commented on it though.

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He has heightened fears. He does not like driving to new places, driving in the rain or snow(will walk 4 miles back and forth to work to avoid a light rain)or bright sun. I hate to see him in pain so I have put at least 1000 miles on my car this year to drive him to appointments and job interviews etc.


That's common also. I am similar, though I HATE to put people out, and tend to push myself. If you try to reason with him why you aren't doing it, maybe you can get HIM to do more.

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Sexual odditities: My daughter who is extremely patient and kind tells me they have never consumated their relationship and when questioned he says he is not ready..huh?? Please explain because sometimes he has been inappropriate with me(my daughter does not know)..he has grabbed me several times briefly and I just pretend I didn't know anything happened as does he..is this some kind of tic??


I am similar, though I do NOT touch people like that. Quite the contrary. Again, reason with him.

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I had hoped his parents would share with me since we disclosed about my daughter's illness but no they say he is just "happy as a clam". I am very concerned for his future as he only has a extremely mediocre job. I would be more than happy to take care of him but I am ticking his mother off every time I give him things like money or clothes which frustrates me too. His parents and he live in a trailer and we are well off.


If his parents live in a trailer, this may all be due to upbringing. Their expectations are likely FAR lower. I won't bother to tell you what I would probably call them, you probably know. But there IS a reason for that term. I was raised in a middle/middle class environment, and my father is like lower/upper class. I am polite and pay my OWN way!

Riese wrote:
Poor manners and childlike and extremely fussy about what he eats. One time I made I was extremely proud of and he said "THAT WAS AWFUL"(this would be okay if he were 8 yrs old, not 43) He has learned from that incident though and just keeps his mouth shut


AGAIN, the double T environment would explain that! I AM fussy, and HAVE been blunt, but I haven't generally been THAT blunt.

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One more thing he is extremely trusting of peope to the point that he is being taken advantage of. Example: he has been "working" for a company for the last 4-5 months and he has yet to be paid(remember he is dirt poor plus he had to pay gas to go back and forth to this "job".


That goes PAST being trusting. 4-5 months!?

Riese wrote:
Do autistic people ever marry? Financially he will be fine if he stays with my daughter..but after all these years it is always the same childish gift every year..a stuffed animal and a snow globe.
Why can't he give her a piece of jewelry or something a little more mature?


Yep, they do. Did your daughter ever say she liked that? Maybe autistic people just have trouble with such things. I know I do.

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I recently discovered his doodles...an entire page filled with stars..all kinds and shapes

My family thinks he is a hopeless cause but I am still holding out hope that he will eventually be part of our family.

Any thoughts?


Your daughter MUST see SOMETHING in him. Have you asked her?

Have you ever seen the series "My name is earl"? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_name_is_earl I have KNOWN people like that.(Earl, his brother, Joy, etc... all have the same basic mindset, that simply manifests differently) Many are simply NOT worth your time! It has NOTHING to do with income, environment, etc... It is simply that the environment, culture, upbringing act like a disease and affects their morals, expectations, desires, beliefs, etc... They actually believe that anyone making over a certain amount(Often QUITE low) is filthy rich because they are in some special group, etc... Although it has NOTHING to do with race, it is similar to the blacks that believe all whites are doing well and holding blacks down.

And I don't know what kind of money you are talking about. I make several times the national average. A guy like earl would consider me RICH, and place me in the company of Warren Buffet. My father, however, has made 1/2 of what I make in a year in ONE DAY(in just investments) and, although he HAS actually played with warren buffet, he won't be even in the fortune 1000. I don't know how much my father has, but I am sure he DOESN'T have even 1 billion dollars. So rich is certainly very relative. Based on income alone, I would say I am upper/middle class. I am HOPING I can get to lower/upper class in a few years. Of course, wit todays economy, WHO KNOWS?

BTW my apologies to anyone I offended, but the truth is the truth. I am not saying ALL.