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26 Jul 2004, 2:14 am

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[If there is a bug buzzing on the other side of the room, I cannot concentrate, and I have to kill it before I am able to work again. Its something about the buzzing combined with knowing that I could stop it just by walking to the other end of the room. If a bug is on the outside making noise, it doesn't really bother me for some reason, perhaps because I know i can't do much about it.


Hehe, if I was there when you did that I'd have freaked out. I scream if somene tries to kill an insect, even though I don't like touching them. I can't kill things intentionally (unless it's probably in agonizing pain, such as a crippled ant), even though things do have to die for my survival. It disturbs me and I have difficulty justifying why other things should have to die just so I can live. Sorry... that's kind of random.



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26 Jul 2004, 3:31 am

Eric sounds like a very interesting character. I have a great deal of trouble small talking to people. The only time I've been comfortable with people, is when I was travelling in countries where they didn't speak english. All of a sudden a simple sentence like - "where do you come from?" can extend over several hours, complete with acrobatics, interesting hand signals and a lot of laughter. My son loves Jackie Chan movies, and I've noticed that a lot of his humerous misunderstandings, are very aspie. It is like coming from another country, where the language, the gestures, the signals are all incomprehensible. You get told one rule, you try to apply it universally, and yet it backfires, because there are hidden rules you haven't had explained to you.

Oops, I've meandered from what I was going to say. That's right - the imitation/mimicking of others. I do it constantly - I do it all the time. I take on accents, mannerisms, gestures etc. without realising it, until I get the stares. I think it's my way of empathising... I've really offended people by doing this. I try hard to stop when I notice it happening. My shrink told me it was echopraxia (kind of a physical echolalia)

Enigma - so much of what you say makes sense to me. When I was about 13 my mum told me she wasn't interested in my life. I took this literally, and never spoke to her about anything of any importance again. It really hurt, but it avoided any confusion. The problem is, I'm 36 now, with a son of my own, and I find myself saying hurtful things without meaning to. All of a sudden I can see where my mother was - she didn't really mean forever and ever - it was just at that moment, because she was having an overload. Somedays I come home, and my son wants stuff, my dogs want stuff, my cat wants stuff, I need to do stuff, and everything spins around, and I find myself saying something thoughtless and cruel. The difference between my mum and myself though, is that I try to stop when I do it, and immediately explain and apologise. My son knows me better than I know myself some days! I'll start snapping and growling at everyone, and he'll tell everyone to leave me alone because I 'need quiet time'. My son is the most precious person in my life, and whenever I catch myself saying these things, I sit down and talk it over with him, and we sort out what might have made me cranky.

I don't think my mum was able to back track on anything she said. I think she has difficulty admitting when she is wrong. I wonder if maybe that is what might be happening with your mum. My boyfriend has moments where he screams at me and wants to know why I can't be normal... but then he remembers all the fun things about not being normal, and pretends he didn't say anything!

I am glad you can share what you are going through with us here.



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26 Jul 2004, 5:25 am

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Maybe foriegners are more tolerable of different people, I don't know?


I think it may have something to do with the nature of AS. I also often have an easier time getting along with people from other countries. There are many foreign students at my school, especially from Asian countries, and while a lot of them are fairly fluent in English, others have difficulties.

Even if they are fluent in English, when they are in a country they do not know and are surrounded by people speaking a language that is not completely familiar to them, they probably have similar feelings to people with AS. I have read (in multiple places) that AS is often likened to being in "permanent culture-shock." People who are new to the country probably feel confused by a lot of cultural behaviors and separated from people by their lack of knowledge about the culture (both pop culture and basic intuition for "fitting in"). They may not always know the "correct" way to behave, because certain gestures or sayings or activities just aren't done in their own culture, and they are unfamiliar to them.

To me, AS is very similiar to this, in that those with AS feel separated, don't know how to react or interpret others' words or behavior, and feel as if they are coming from somewhere completely different.



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26 Jul 2004, 5:43 am

ilster wrote:
My son loves Jackie Chan movies, and I've noticed that a lot of his humerous misunderstandings, are very aspie. It is like coming from another country, where the language, the gestures, the signals are all incomprehensible. You get told one rule, you try to apply it universally, and yet it backfires, because there are hidden rules you haven't had explained to you.


Delightful! I get a real hoot out of Jackie Chan myself. Now I know he's getting up there in years, but yeah, a lot of his movies serve to illustrate cultural and other differences which result in sitcom-ish misunderstandings, but with a lot more chop socky action. Inevitably he often gets shamed early on or undergoes some punishment, but he figures out how to achieve for the greater good by the end of the film -- despite getting beat down so much! Now THAT'S persistence. Hahaha.



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28 Jul 2004, 3:32 pm

All mothers want their daughters to be exactley like them. My mom wanted me and my sister to be exactley like her. It's part of being a Mother. I turned out being the opposite of what my mom wanted me to be. I can't talk to her about a lot of things, but we love eachother very much.

Like I told you before, you seem like a very Intelligent person. People don't have to be considered normal to be considered Intelligent.



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06 Oct 2008, 12:12 am

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For enigma, ( tell me if you prefer "the enigma") about my friend Eric. It has been a while since I last talked to him but I can tell you a little more about him.

Eric was a bit oblivious to social skills and manners. A perfect story is when I went out to eat with him at a chinese restaurant. Maybe you have been to a chinese restaurant and seen a small child get a little too excited by the decorations and then the child begins to exercise karate kicks and make that "hi-ya" noise. Usually the parent will stop this before it gets offensive. My friend Eric at age 24 or 25 was still that same way. He did not do the karate kicks but he would do one worse. When the chinese immigrant (the restaurant that we were at really does employ true immigrants) would come to take our order he would hear the thick chinese accent. Eric would reflect the exact accent back to the waiter or waitress. It was very embarassing but I never could tell how the waiter or waitress was taking it. They never should a sign of displeasure. I tried to explain to Eric how that was rude and Eric would argue that he was not mocking them. Eric was completely convinced that his fake accent was really another language. Eric said that he was speaking to them the same way that he was being spoken to, in chinese that is. I know it is hard to believe that Eric could believe what he was saying but I think that he actually believed it.

About the same time that I discovered that Eric was insensitive to racial differences I also observed Eric doing something rather surprising. I don't think that Eric had ever had a girlfriend until this time. He was working for Hermann Miller (Eames Lounge Chair and Ottoman rule by the way, I have a nice replica) who also employed immigrants, even ones that spoke less english than the chinese restaurant employees. This is where Eric met Rosa, his first girlfriend. Rosa (mexican) did not speak any english, but somehow the two of them started to date. Four weeks later Eric was fluent in spanish. He never picked up a book about spanish or anything instructive. He just learned it by impersonating Rosa and the other immigrants that he met at work. Maybe foriegners are more tolerable of different people, I don't know?

I originally met Eric at an after-high-school job. I saw him frequently until I was 23 or 24 years old. Work is what brought us together and I guess it is what brought us apart. Our preference for different sorts of work just naturally over time caused us to move in different directions. I guess he is off working at his goals just as I am working on mine. I think I will try to get in touch with him soon as it has been to long since we last spoke.


Your friend Eric sounds a little like me. I try not to do this but I cannot help myself sometimes. I copy the way people speak. Their accents, patterns of speech, tone, and speed. I do not do this on purpose, and I have to mentally stop myself. It is one of the give aways to my AS, I have been told.