Anger and Autism, I'm a bit confused.

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21 Dec 2008, 8:19 am

My family is just plain old messed up, we function normally, only there is a couple of us who would like nothing less than to just be annoying... Worst part is I don't take bs from anyone, fortunatly I have found how to twist words in such a way where my agressive tendancies have became useless, and all I have to do is try to argue and overwhelm you with things that back you into to a psychological corner, and make you feel helpless. That has been a useful thing for me, as most people can take a punch, but not to many people can bare to be backed into a corner and mentally overwhelmed... Unfortunatly, sometimes people can still push me over the edge...



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21 Dec 2008, 12:33 pm

Whether you get angry or afraid depends on how big the threat is.

Little threat -> anger -> stand up to problem
Big threat -> fear -> run to safety

Basically when I get angry I have to think very carefully about how to channel that anger productively. Losing my temper always makes things worse for me, since if people were interested in my pov I probably wouldn't have any reason to get angry in the first place. I mean, my building manager tried to evict me from my apartment when I complained about noise overhead.

I am endlessly frustrated, which makes it easier for me to get angry. Unfortunately usually the only thing I can do about it is get lots of exercise, to calm myself down. The last week has been hell because I'm basically snowed in and it's tiring to walk anywhere. I need to find a new rhythm for winter.



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21 Dec 2008, 12:55 pm

Unless someone can overwhelm me, I will always stand my ground, I will never back down, and I will generally force the person into a corner where they know they have been beaten... unless they are a heavily disabled 13 yold who just changes the subject to something they hope will stand against my tactics, and do this until I am too worn out from the interaction to continue, and ultimatly win because they are too disabled to know when to shut up and admit defeat.... AKA my 13 yold brother. I hate when someone overwhelms me though, and sometimes, although this hasn't happened in a long time, someone will push me over the edge, and I lose physical control over my body to the subconscience hatred for the person, and punch them just hard enough to relieve all stress currently in my body...... And I hate getting to that point because I am one of those people whoo prefer to seek out non violent solutions... This includes me wanting to end bullying which is a form of terrorism. Think about it, people who take part in bullying like the reaction they get out of the person who they do it to, and enjoy creating instability in their lives, isn't this what the terrorist who get convicted for acts of terrorism try to do too??? Why should a schoolyard bully be treated any different from a kid who dreams of freeing themselves from the bullying who displays a great amount of hate. I was put into an anger management program my school had in elementary because the teachers knew I had an intense amount of hate for the people who wouldn't leave me alone, and all they tried to teach was how I was supposed to handle people who I don't like... They never treat the kids that actually harrass people any differently from normal well behaved NT kids, simply because it is viewed as normal for the age group to be jack***es to other kids their age... It is the kids on the recieveing end who get treated the worst, both by the shcools and by their peers, and it is popularized that these kids should be mistreated by their peers, and often these kids have something like AS that makes it that much worse on them to experience it. Everyone told me to ignore them. How do I ignore something that is constant and never ending? They answered ignore them and it will stop. No it won't, I tried ignoring for many years, and as long as the NT crowd arround them gets a kick outa it, they will keep doing it. Schoolyard bullying should be treated as a much more severe event, and people who can do something about it should be constanly looking for the chance to prevent an incident. Often times teachers could see it happening but didn't have enough "proof" to do something about it. The one time I got suspended from school for standing my ground and beating the crap outa one guy, my principal said: Atleast there is one less person who is going to be bothered by this guy, and we just don't have the authority to end what he is doing to other students. This sends a clear message that there isn't enough will or power in the school's authority to end the tyranny of people who can't help but treat others poorly.

And I think I am done with my daily rant now.



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21 Dec 2008, 1:49 pm

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Unless someone can overwhelm me, I will always stand my ground, I will never back down, and I will generally force the person into a corner where they know they have been beaten... unless they are a heavily disabled 13 yold who just changes the subject to something they hope will stand against my tactics, and do this until I am too worn out from the interaction to continue, and ultimatly win because they are too disabled to know when to shut up and admit defeat.... AKA my 13 yold brother. I hate when someone overwhelms me though, and sometimes, although this hasn't happened in a long time, someone will push me over the edge, and I lose physical control over my body to the subconscience hatred for the person, and punch them just hard enough to relieve all stress currently in my body...... And I hate getting to that point because I am one of those people whoo prefer to seek out non violent solutions... This includes me wanting to end bullying which is a form of terrorism. Think about it, people who take part in bullying like the reaction they get out of the person who they do it to, and enjoy creating instability in their lives, isn't this what the terrorist who get convicted for acts of terrorism try to do too??? Why should a schoolyard bully be treated any different from a kid who dreams of freeing themselves from the bullying who displays a great amount of hate. I was put into an anger management program my school had in elementary because the teachers knew I had an intense amount of hate for the people who wouldn't leave me alone, and all they tried to teach was how I was supposed to handle people who I don't like... They never treat the kids that actually harrass people any differently from normal well behaved NT kids, simply because it is viewed as normal for the age group to be jack***es to other kids their age... It is the kids on the recieveing end who get treated the worst, both by the shcools and by their peers, and it is popularized that these kids should be mistreated by their peers, and often these kids have something like AS that makes it that much worse on them to experience it. Everyone told me to ignore them. How do I ignore something that is constant and never ending? They answered ignore them and it will stop. No it won't, I tried ignoring for many years, and as long as the NT crowd arround them gets a kick outa it, they will keep doing it. Schoolyard bullying should be treated as a much more severe event, and people who can do something about it should be constanly looking for the chance to prevent an incident. Often times teachers could see it happening but didn't have enough "proof" to do something about it. The one time I got suspended from school for standing my ground and beating the crap outa one guy, my principal said: Atleast there is one less person who is going to be bothered by this guy, and we just don't have the authority to end what he is doing to other students. This sends a clear message that there isn't enough will or power in the school's authority to end the tyranny of people who can't help but treat others poorly.


Have you become just like the bullies that you hated so much?

It doesn't work to just ignore people who are trying to get a reaction from you if you are still bothered by what they are doing, even if you don't say or do anything about it, they will know that they are getting to you... the trick is to see their actions from a different perspective so that it really doesn't bother you and if they aren't getting any reaction, they give up and find someone that will give them what they want (to feel better about themselves usually), you can't just pretend to not to care, you have to truly find a way to be indifferent.



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21 Dec 2008, 3:39 pm

Thank you, Animone for your response to dealing with anger, and everyone else to.

I am a mom of a teen girl with aspergers and having alot of trouble helping my daughter to self regulate her aggresive behavior which is mostly at school toward her high school teachers and some students.

It is usually set off lately by having to do any work in class, or change or we just don't know right now. If you or any of you have any advice I can use to help her that would be great. She has some great people at this school who really care and nuture her, and they are baffled as well what we can do to help de-esculate her lately.

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21 Dec 2008, 4:32 pm

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Thank you, Animone for your response to dealing with anger, and everyone else to.

I am a mom of a teen girl with aspergers and having alot of trouble helping my daughter to self regulate her aggresive behavior which is mostly at school toward her high school teachers and some students.

It is usually set off lately by having to do any work in class, or change or we just don't know right now. If you or any of you have any advice I can use to help her that would be great. She has some great people at this school who really care and nuture her, and they are baffled as well what we can do to help de-esculate her lately.

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She is overstimulated, not only by the environment but by the expectations of having to conform, Teachers can be cruel when dealing with something or someone they don't understand, they see her aspergers not as it is, but as her not 'respecting' them and are probably offended by it and (I am guessing from my experience raising 4 ASD teenagers) she is frustrated by this, and doesn't know how to express it to you, let alone understand it herself, she needs you to help her figure out what (or who) is pushing her buttons (she can't help her reactions, so don't blame, just help).. When I took my oldest out of mainstream school when the teachers were telling me he had behavioral problems and (they said) he didn't have any reading comprehension and blah blah blah.. after having him tested (he was off the charts he was sooo intelligent), I started homeschooling him and he thrived and was in college by age 15.

btw: my son also had a problem doing the actual (monotonous) school work but Aced the test (he was accused of cheating), shouldn't the goal be the child learning something and not conforming to.... of course not cause then they wouldn't have a bunch of worker bees which is what the regular school system is set up to create.. your daughter obviously has some unusual gifts, help her find them.



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22 Dec 2008, 1:36 pm

Aufgehen wrote:
Have you become just like the bullies that you hated so much?

It doesn't work to just ignore people who are trying to get a reaction from you if you are still bothered by what they are doing, even if you don't say or do anything about it, they will know that they are getting to you... the trick is to see their actions from a different perspective so that it really doesn't bother you and if they aren't getting any reaction, they give up and find someone that will give them what they want (to feel better about themselves usually), you can't just pretend to not to care, you have to truly find a way to be indifferent.


I wouldn't say that, I only react in self preservation, and, that was my daily rant, so it probably didn't come out right.