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23 Dec 2008, 3:26 am

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from my understanding, most women usually score lower on the spectrum, ie, not as autistic as men


well I'm screwed lol. I score quite high. I know there are differences but I seem to go against this thing of females showing the signs more subtly. I don't know why. I have more severe AS... but then it effects us all in different ways.

I find this topic interesting because I find that many of the aspie traits boys/men have, I seem to share... for example... I read soemwhere that men/boys seem to be very obsessed with sex.. I'm like that... I'm almost the total opisite of a lot of AS girls.

Although.. perhaps my special interests were more 'socially acceptable'. I read that boys may be into stuff like fans and cars etc.. my special interests have always been:
Aircraft
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Australia/Austria/Germany
Languages
Philosophy
Horses (when I was like 10)

So I dunno.

Good topic

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23 Dec 2008, 4:27 am

I think beauty plays a role in women. One thing I noticed is that social culture usually goes by first impression instinct, and beauty affects the first impression.

On that theory about girls being around their moms...I want to add that I think father/daughter bonds are often strong. Like Daddy's little girl type thing. I, being daddy's little girl, find it easier to socialize with dudes than females. About as far as I go with females is talking about looks and celebrities. Anything beyond that, I mess it up. Dudes, I usually talk about football for the easy one to pull off, but when we get into the real conversations like politics, music, and controversial subjects, I find it that dudes get me more than females (except narcissistic males...they hate me with a passion, and dudes with short man syndrome, they hate me too because I'm too domineering, like a male). I also seem to be what I call the alpha cat in my house. I wear the pants in my relationship, and it's because my father raised me to be like him.

I will say too that it does seem to me that the autism gene in my family affects the females lighter than the males. Like, i don't know if my feminine hormones made it easier for it to be less noticeable, or what, but I will say my nephew even at a young age like 2 years old, well he lined up toys more so than I, had a harsher speech delay (which i know isn't really AS as much as PDD NOS, but that's what the doctor diagnosed, and it wasn't an actual delay because both of us started talking at under 6 months old, and then stopped and created our own language for a while, and then went to English again at a later age than normal, but he was later than me, and his therapy was more necessary than mine as I spoke English on my own but didn't imitate the sounds of the words well enough), did some rocking comfort dance more so and more often than I, and was able to I don't know what it's called, but I don't see how I could have (computers were not invented yet in the homes when I was young) gotten on the computer at age 3 and install my games or go online and remember b and l keys will make blues clues website pop down in the scroll so I could go on there, click on an icon, and print a picture to color. I also promise you though, my mom was around him as much if not more than she was with me as a baby. He seems to be exactly like me but a little more extreme. Maybe it's just the nature of boys like I really think with all kids, you can reason better with girls than you can boys. So, a good study research would be the differences in gender in young children, and then trying to link any of that with AS.

Either way, if you are writing a paper or something, my suggestion is also to find research on other subtopics that your current research shows. I had to write a paper on school shooters once, and I had to have x amount of sources in theory, and y amount of sources in empirical evidence (actual studies). I ended up being short on the actual studies since many of the results are expensive to purchase, and I was short on freebies, but I found in theory that bullying was considered to be a factor on school shooters, so I found a couple studies on bullying.



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23 Dec 2008, 5:56 pm

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from my understanding, most women usually score lower on the spectrum, ie, not as autistic as men


weeeelllll....kind of..... But i think it is more that some of us girls can somehow manage to develop an understanding of the social cues in some instances. we don't get it...but we can "wing it" a little better sometimes. but i don't know if it actually means we are "less autistic" in terms of other traits.

someine else on WP might have more specific info pertaining to this.....


I think we can fake it better. Plus little old ladies and also some girls like to adopt us (or at least me) and help us figure things out.

But I haven't been able to graduate (or even finish classes outside my interests) or hold on to a decent job (hell, even GET a decent job). I have maybe 2 friends, NO ONE will live with me cuz I spaz out if they move the furniture and leave horrid messes- even when I'm trying to be neat, I cant recognize peoples faces at all, I haven't had a boyfriend since I was 17 (unless I count an autistic boy I went out with for about a year), I cant even tell if someone likes me & I dont know what to do when they do, I cant stand it if strangers touch me or even look at me, and I refuse to look any closer to a persons eye than thier eyebrow, vibrations make me dizzy and light makes me nauseous & everything I eat makes me sick all the time. I trip when I walk. I have to pretend to be someone else just to talk normally.

But all anyone else sees is a shy "ditzy" slightly silly, extremely messy girl (as in CHILD) who needs to be taken care of becuz for some reason I can't grow up & figure out how to do things right and be NORMAL for once & stop making excuses that dont convince anybody. (my dads words)

No, I dont think girls are less autistic. I think we come off as dumb/vacant, easy & immature, and that's almost worse.



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23 Dec 2008, 6:01 pm

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I'm reading three books about autism and women/girls:

'Asperger's and Girls' with sections by Tony Attwood and Temple Grandin, among others - a good series of essays on how girls differ from boys on the spectrum, and the difficulties they may encounter through childhood, adolescence and adulthood

'Women from Another Planet' which is a series of essays/stories/poems by women on the autism spectrum - good for that 'a-ha' factor, demonstrates how many autistic women see the world

'Pretending to be Normal' by Liane Holliday Willey - also good for seeing how someone with Asperger's experiences life and sees the world

I enjoy reading these books, because so many things written in them resonate with me, more so than with anything else I've ever read.

I got these books from the library of my local autism society. Maybe you could see if there is a similar organisation in your area?


I'm also reading "pretending to be normal" but all the books by temple grandin and tony attwood have been checked out and theres a waitlist for them (apparently autism is very common in albuquerque, becuz there seem to be a lot of free resources, at least for children.)

I would really like to read the other two, "aperger's and girl is something I would have grabbed as soon as I saw it, but I've checked the library systems files and niether of them are available.



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23 Dec 2008, 6:02 pm

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the most I could in, like, 7 books, was that "they are more subtle in there symptoms and their obsession are more "socially appropriate". or something like that.


I think that's because things that *should* be considered more socially appropriate irrespective of gender are not considered socially appropriate for boys... double standard... given our symptoms, as children, we tend to spend more time around our mothers than other boys. So... logically, if you spend more time around your mother, even though your imprinting may be weak, you're apt to imprint to a much greater degree on your mother than you are on your father or other boys. So the reason why we end up being more "socially inappropriate" is because the culture has their collective head up their ass.


:D I wanted to be a boy growing up. It seemed a lot easier, my mom had all these rules for how I should act that my brothers didn't have to follow and I couldnt figure out why I had to. Like, "why can a boy go shirtless and not me??"



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23 Dec 2008, 6:05 pm

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I find this topic interesting because I find that many of the aspie traits boys/men have, I seem to share... for example... I read soemwhere that men/boys seem to be very obsessed with sex.. I'm like that... I'm almost the total opisite of a lot of AS girls.


SEX! Yes..... my friends tease me... they say I seem like a raving slut and yet... and yet....
I cant stop talking about it or thinking about it or writing/painting/etc it
and yet

I never get to have it :X



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23 Dec 2008, 6:09 pm

I can appreciate where you're coming from as it is true that girls 'can't be strange, according to society, but boys can for some reason.
Over the years I have worked with many women engineers who were somewhere on the spectrum and they were all far better 'adjusted' than a lot of autistics guys I know.
Pilot your own course and don't take to much of what you read as gospel as each and every one of us is a completely unique individual and that's what the scientists haven't really figured out yet.


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23 Dec 2008, 6:09 pm

i thought i was a boy. except my body was different. adolscence was hell from that perspective also.



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23 Dec 2008, 6:11 pm

Read my essay about Tomboys.


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23 Dec 2008, 6:12 pm

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I can appreciate where you're coming from as it is true that girls 'can't be strange, according to society, but boys can for some reason.
Over the years I have worked with many women engineers who were somewhere on the spectrum and they were all far better 'adjusted' than a lot of autistics guys I know.
Pilot your own course and don't take to much of what you read as gospel as each and every one of us is a completely unique individual and that's what the scientists haven't really figured out yet.


ah I'm just scared, becuz I am waiting for my diagnositic appointment & I'm terrified they'll tell me I'm not autistic, just incompetent and selfish, immature, horrible person who needs therapy which is what everyone else seems to be telling me. I feel safer reading about people who see things the way I do.



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23 Dec 2008, 6:13 pm

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i thought i was a boy. except my body was different. adolscence was hell from that perspective also.


haha
I wanted to have an exchange surgery but eventually I figured out I like boobs & having them is pretty cool :D



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23 Dec 2008, 6:19 pm

garyww wrote:
Read my essay about Tomboys.


where might i find your illustrious essay garyww? it is on your good website, which i have already perused? did i miss it? i am interested to read it.



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23 Dec 2008, 6:32 pm

I thought it was on the site?


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23 Dec 2008, 6:34 pm

well - it may well be. i may have missed it as i looked at your site in a generic manner, a few days ago, after you said something i found very interesting. i shall check again. :wink:



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23 Dec 2008, 6:43 pm

BLOODY GREAT ARTICLE Garyww.



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23 Dec 2008, 6:48 pm

I didn't mean to imply that it was germain to the discussion but only intended that it migh be a good aside since people don't use the Tomboy term to much anymore nowadays. I need to dress it up a little as I never finished it.


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