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29 Dec 2008, 7:24 am

Compromise generally falls to the NT partner, mainly because however willing the AS may be, he's prolly not gunna SPOT that a situation requires compromise and even if he does, he prolly doesn't know how to compromise in the appropriate direction.
It's a bit like living with a blind person.



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29 Dec 2008, 2:11 pm

The reason I'm not in a relationship and don't want one is that to get your needs met in a relationship you have to know how to act. It's not just saying what bothers you and what you need, it's also acting in certain ways that work with that person. And since I'm hopeless at the nonverbal, I always used to end up being the doormat in my relationships, even if those men weren't abusive with other women. I wanted a relationship more than anything in life, and it was a dream extremely hard to give up. But being such a horrible doormat with every man was much worse.

That said, I don't know if you're a doormat. I don't know if you both work outside the home the same amount of hours, etc. Maybe sometimes he wishes he could be home relaxing, he's at work dealing with all the stress while you're watching your fav soap.

And I don't think being selfish has anything to do with having AS. Never cut a spouse any slack for AS. Aspies can be as fair as anyone else, if not a lot more.


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29 Dec 2008, 2:31 pm

try adapting to an AS partner who is just as rigid in his routines as you are!

I think the issue is my personal need for MY OWN routines and not whether a partner is AS or NT. IT won't make much difference - because the driving internal force for an AS Person is the need for her or his own personal way of doing things and sticking to regimens and special interests as well as limited contact with people and social exchanges. WHat i wonder is this.... Does an NT partner have a greater capacity for compromise and give and take than an AS partner?



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29 Dec 2008, 2:42 pm

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Shiggly, it's interesting that you all believe that an Aspie male can casually compromise.


I don't agree with this statement. It is true to a point, but I think a lot of us can and will behave differently if you behave a little bit differently. Mainly in these ways:

1) The non-emergency heads up: Agree with the earlier post that if you give us a few minutes to finish what we're in the middle of, you're more likely to get our full attention afterwards.

2) Discuss failures afterwards (like the next day when he's not in the middle of something). I find this works well when I don't do a good job empathizing with my wife. She sits me down, talks about what happened and what she would like to happen differently next time. It doesn't work if you're still in that moment (too many emotions going on to discuss logically) and doesn't work if you're vague. Give detailed instructions on what you would like to happen next time.


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However, that's why I wonder why other women do manage to get their men to do what they want.


I think this is somewhat of a myth. I'm sure it happens in some cases, but I think you'll find a lot of unhappy spouses if they spend all their time bending to the will of the other.



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29 Dec 2008, 2:44 pm

millie wrote:
try adapting to an AS partner who is just as rigid in his routines as you are!

I think the issue is my personal need for MY OWN routines and not whether a partner is AS or NT. IT won't make much difference - because the driving internal force for an AS Person is the need for her or his own personal way of doing things and sticking to regimens and special interests as well as limited contact with people and social exchanges. WHat i wonder is this.... Does an NT partner have a greater capacity for compromise and give and take than an AS partner?

Most definitely they do.
It should be obvious, because NT's don't melt down when routines are disrupted.
They're much more flexible.



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29 Dec 2008, 2:48 pm

Unfortunately OP, your description of your husband sounds like a description of mine. He is NT and I am AS. So, no, I wouldn't say that your problems are necessarily caused by AS.



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29 Dec 2008, 2:50 pm

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millie wrote:
try adapting to an AS partner who is just as rigid in his routines as you are!

I think the issue is my personal need for MY OWN routines and not whether a partner is AS or NT. IT won't make much difference - because the driving internal force for an AS Person is the need for her or his own personal way of doing things and sticking to regimens and special interests as well as limited contact with people and social exchanges. WHat i wonder is this.... Does an NT partner have a greater capacity for compromise and give and take than an AS partner?

Most definitely they do.
It should be obvious, because NT's don't melt down when routines are disrupted.
They're much more flexible.


well yes....exactly. I agree with you. so if that is the case, where does the responsibility lie re logistics of a relationship and compromise? With the NT partner?

What if you have an AS partner who swears he is NT and it is evident to all and sundry he is not? that is another scenario!



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29 Dec 2008, 4:22 pm

I do agree with an earlier post that aspies (male) can change over time but that change is extremely slow and not very easily measured by changes in our outward behavior. As a result it's often the 'last man (or woman) standing' type of situation in relationships. Somebody has to bend or go away and it's almost always the NT partner who knows when to cut their losses and get out of the way by staying in the background or leaving the relationship.
There is the seldom occuring situation where two entirely different people do get along for some strange reason and find comfort and support form one another but it is extremely rare. It's a brain chemical compatibility thing almost as rare as Autism itself.


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29 Dec 2008, 4:47 pm

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Liverbird, my husband doesn't care whether the house is tidy or not.
In one way that's great, because living is more important than cleaning, and if you're constantly worried about mess, you end up living in a way to minimise mess (which is crazy.)
However, the problem from this NT perpspective is that it sometimes feels as if I'm doing all the compromising, and expending all the energy.
He does want me to be happy, and in his own way, he does his best. It's very interesting what you write about misconceptions of what's important....because that's what I think his problem is.

Yesterday for example, we came home from a family day out. Everybodies tired.
I know that if we are going to eat on time, I have to start cooking straight away. I do.
We eat. Then I try to get our 3 girls ready for bed. While I'm doing that, I raise my voice (because I discover that they left their toys in a big mess.)
In the meantime, my husband is busy doing a football game on the computer and wants me to be quiet. I find that unreasonable. I'm doing all the work. All he's done is eaten and relaxed, and demands quietness too! I ask for his help. He doesn't want to.

Football is not more important than your own family (knowing that your wife has worked non-stop since that you came home.)
Then once the children are in bed, I have to wash the dishes and sweep under the table bla bla bla...

I don't know if it's an Aspie thing, but he doesn't seem to understand that sometimes mundane activites are part of life, and that it's only fair to share the burdens of these in families.
It's as if he can not bring himself to do mundane things- only things that interest him. It's hard for him to connect that if he makes a 15 minute sacrifice to help me out, it could make the difference between me waking up the next day feeling a worn-out wreck, and me being reasonably content.

He will see my sadness and say "you work too hard, I appreciate it...." but he can't take the initiative to try and actively resolve it. I seem to be surrounded by women who seem to have the power to make their husbands do things. I can't make him do anything.

I know how to react if my husband has a melt-down. I can see it from his point of view. I can also see it from the NT'ers point of view. I do feel sorry that Aspies are misunderstood at these moments. From my perspective, I can react in a way that makes my husband become calm again. If the roles were reversed, my husband often can't show the same empathy. He merely feels stressed by my stress. Luckily I'm really easy-going and don't get stressed easily.

This makes our relationship sound like a disaster zone, but somehow it does work (in the sense that we are happy with each other), and if I were to lose him as a husband, I know that I would regret it. It's hard work though, sometimes.


Seriously, I think you should have a 'meltdown' of your own next time he does that; it'd do you good and give your husband a well deserved kick up the nether regions. I doubt he'll leave you over it- he's got waaay to good a deal!



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29 Dec 2008, 5:17 pm

Remember Einsteins letter of demands to Mileva. Sometimes we're just stubborn.


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29 Dec 2008, 7:12 pm

It's interesting you raise this, because my husband (NT) and I (AS) are dealing with some similar issues.

For instance, he knows that it's very hard for me to be interrupted. So he'll say, "What time do you want to have dinner? I don't want to interrupt you in the middle of anything, so tell me when you'll be ready to eat."

My problem is that I have very little sense of how long anything will take me, so I'll say something really helpful, like "It's no problem, any time is fine." Then "any time" comes and I say, "Okay, I just need a couple of minutes." 15 minutes later, he'll come in and say, "I think it's been a couple of minutes." And I'll say, "Okay, sorry, I'm trying to finish this as fast as I can...." It's really unfair to him.

So now we have this deal. I have to be specific and commit to a time, whether I feel like I'm going to go nuts if I stop what I'm doing or not. He understands that transitions are very difficult for me; I don't like leaving a task undone in the middle. But I also understand that there's a respect issue here. If he's made dinner, I should come to a stopping place quickly and respect what he's done. Or if I've made a commitment to a certain time, I need to either hold to it or renegotiate it.

The thing that makes this work is that my husband gives me plenty of space in general. When I'm in my loft, that's my "alone and recharge" time. When I'm elsewhere, that's my "I'm a full-fledged member of the family" time.

So both of us have had to listen to how the other feels. The Aspie can't pull rank and say "Well, I have a hard time stopping things, so we can have dinner two hours later." The NT can't pull rank and say, "Why can't you just stop what you're doing and eat? What's the big deal?" I mean, I guess both parties can do this, but people pulling rank in any way, no matter what their neurological profiles, doesn't make for a good marriage. (Been there, done that, fortunately the divorce was not messy).

It seems that root of the problem with you and your DH is that he doesn't think having AS is a big deal. It is, at least from the perspective of marriage and children. If he took it more seriously, it would be much easier to sit down and work out strategies.


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29 Dec 2008, 7:20 pm

I really appreciate what you must be going thru. It's way easier for an AS male to live with an NT female so you must be going thru hell almost all of the time. To be honest I can't even imagine what it must be like so I'll keep my comments to myself.


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29 Dec 2008, 7:29 pm

well, yes garyww...quite frankly it is hell. I think women with AS have a really hard time in a relationship. Culturally, the onus has been on me to be the nurturer and to be all these things i am not. There have been huge expectation son me to somehow "toe the line" in ways that are utterly foreign to my way of being. very very difficult and i get mistaken for a selfish female constantly.
i am not. i am very nice and caring. but i cannot show it adequately. I can write it. but i cannot show it so easily.



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29 Dec 2008, 7:35 pm

In the culture that I came up from we call such people outlaws since they don't fit the mold so to speak.


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29 Dec 2008, 7:50 pm

calamity jane in "deadwood!"

"outlaw" suits me just fine, garyww. have a good day!

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29 Dec 2008, 7:57 pm

She is my kind of woman.


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