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03 Jan 2009, 12:47 am

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Although you don't have to be a GENIUS to write music, I doubt a ret*d person would take the time and do it to the degree you indicate. He definitely sounds like he might have been AS. The lack of concern for image, extreme interest, apparent talent, living at home, etc.... At the time, a LOT of people would have considered such a person ret*d.


Friend, you can draw your own conclusions from my post and I never said this man was any kind of a genius. I can assure you it is factual and I remember this man quite cleary and I did see the music he had personally written. I said that I am not sure if he was some kind of savant or not and was only relating to you my memories. He did not work a regular job but daily went to an institution in our town where ret*d people would work packaging certain products from companies that that supported the disabled. Most of the people that went there daily were ret*d people or those with Down's Syndrome. Believe whatever you want.



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03 Jan 2009, 1:11 am

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I have no such remarkable talents myself but I think nature has given me certain abilities that the average person doesn’t possess and is sometimes envious of.



I can relate, although it's hard to pinpoint exactly what my abilities are. They are very "hit and miss".


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03 Jan 2009, 1:38 am

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I have known a few SMART people. THAT, for ME, is saying a LOT! Looking back, I think MOST of them had definite AS tendencies. I don't think I ever met ANYONE I would consider a savant.
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no offence zukenkerl, but do you have a problem with arrogance? i am just wondering, because i have read this a few times and this is what i am beginning to glean. i may just be terribly stupid........... 8O



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03 Jan 2009, 5:42 am

I have savant abilities with music. I can listen to a song and play it back and i can make up songs easily. I play lots of insturments and have wrote lots of songs since i was a little kid. some of my music is played on the local radio stations. a lot of music i make just seems to play in my head and i dont know where it comes from. Pretty much everything i do i dont know how to do things until im doing it. it makes it very fusterating to explain anything to people and i cant teach people what i know. I do the same thing with math. I know anwsers to questions but i cant do the process to find out the anwser. I dont know how i know things, but i do. I cant do big equasions very good though.



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03 Jan 2009, 6:19 am

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Friend, you can draw your own conclusions from my post and I never said this man was any kind of a genius. I can assure you it is factual and I remember this man quite cleary and I did see the music he had personally written. I said that I am not sure if he was some kind of savant or not and was only relating to you my memories. He did not work a regular job but daily went to an institution in our town where ret*d people would work packaging certain products from companies that that supported the disabled. Most of the people that went there daily were ret*d people or those with Down's Syndrome. Believe whatever you want.


Sorry, it was late. I guess I just didn't think about what you were saying about him being like an 8yo. OK, I admit it. Savants can have a strange combination of strengths. I guess I just wasn't thinking about that aspect as I read about how he sung, played, and wrote music well, and properly detailed.

In any event, I wasn't discounting ANY of your story. I certainly don't discount that savants exist. I never said I didn't see one, hear of them, etc.... I simply said I never met one.(I was never personally near one, or personally told about one, that I assessed as a savant, or even heard was a savant.)



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03 Jan 2009, 12:02 pm

Great music Carl.


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03 Jan 2009, 12:31 pm

Savant just means that one portion of your IQ is several standard deviations over the rest of your IQ. Someone's subscore could be 120 for a certain variable, whereas all of the others will be in the mentally ret*d range; this one example equates to an Autistic Savant. I haven't seen someone with this cognitive pattern "officially", but it's supposed to be around 10% of all those with Autistic Disorder--2/3 have mental retardation (with strengths in certain areas many times, just not as pronounced as Savants), and the other third have a normal IQ score.

Some people erroneously attach it to the associated special skills that can occur with Autistic Disorder (Asperger's too, Hans had a child who was a calculator); hyperlexia, calendar calculation, eidetic memory, etcetera.

Personally, I'd attribute the near perfect memory nearly everyone with AS/HFA has on their topic of interest to be a special skill.



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03 Jan 2009, 1:57 pm

I have been called a savant before. It is because of my art. I am getting to be a famous artist and was just in Dog Fancy magazine. Also, I am going to be in a book because of my savant-like skills called "Artism Anew" and if you want to see my artwork on that site go to www.artismtoday.com and I am in the second page of their gallery with the bird in the sunset. I also have my own website with over 300 designs go to www.crittersonthings.com and you could also see more info about me with links to other articles I have been in- "about the artist."



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03 Jan 2009, 2:12 pm

No, yet I have heard about some.


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03 Jan 2009, 2:26 pm

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I have known a few SMART people. THAT, for ME, is saying a LOT! Looking back, I think MOST of them had definite AS tendencies. I don't think I ever met ANYONE I would consider a savant.


no offence zukenkerl, but do you have a problem with arrogance? i am just wondering, because i have read this a few times and this is what i am beginning to glean. i may just be terribly stupid........... 8O


I don't think EITHER is the case. I don't have a problem with arrogance, and I haven't called you stupid.



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03 Jan 2009, 2:30 pm

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Savant just means that one portion of your IQ is several standard deviations over the rest of your IQ. Someone's subscore could be 120 for a certain variable, whereas all of the others will be in the mentally ret*d range; this one example equates to an Autistic Savant. I haven't seen someone with this cognitive pattern "officially", but it's supposed to be around 10% of all those with Autistic Disorder--2/3 have mental retardation (with strengths in certain areas many times, just not as pronounced as Savants), and the other third have a normal IQ score.

Some people erroneously attach it to the associated special skills that can occur with Autistic Disorder (Asperger's too, Hans had a child who was a calculator); hyperlexia, calendar calculation, eidetic memory, etcetera.

Personally, I'd attribute the near perfect memory nearly everyone with AS/HFA has on their topic of interest to be a special skill.


that's an interesting and nice way of putting it. i do know i know more about the art scene in australia than just about anyone i know. i do not study it per se. i research and read, but i jsut retain EVERYTHING. and i have never understood why.

i have been told i am gifted in my art practice...but i don't think i am a savant. I do however know that my AS gives me a very individual way of looking at things and i relish that.



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03 Jan 2009, 5:29 pm

I know of someone with a reputation for being able to give the day of the week for any date. It's many years since I've spoken to him and that was before I was aware either of autism/Asperger's as a quest for myself, or of this chap's peculiar ability but with hindsight I can easily see him as a candidate for the spectrum (including "the look") whose alleged calendar calculation is a savant streak.



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03 Jan 2009, 5:32 pm

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millie wrote:
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I have known a few SMART people. THAT, for ME, is saying a LOT! Looking back, I think MOST of them had definite AS tendencies. I don't think I ever met ANYONE I would consider a savant.


no offence zukenkerl, but do you have a problem with arrogance? i am just wondering, because i have read this a few times and this is what i am beginning to glean. i may just be terribly stupid........... 8O


I don't think EITHER is the case. I don't have a problem with arrogance, and I haven't called you stupid.


i asked a question. you answered. fine by me.
never said you thought i was stupid. fine by me too.
8O

i didn't mean any harm. i was just asking a question.
really did not mean to offend.



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03 Jan 2009, 7:05 pm

I have number savant abilities - I can multiply 2, 3, 4 digit numbers in my head within seconds, can tell if a number is prime or composite within a few seconds, very quick counter, good at finding patterns, etc. However, as far as having artistic abilities, I'm the complete opposite, I have a very hard time learning instruments and am not a good drawer/painter at all.


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03 Jan 2009, 7:11 pm

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i asked a question. you answered. fine by me.
never said you thought i was stupid. fine by me too.
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i didn't mean any harm. i was just asking a question.
really did not mean to offend.


I didn't mean to offend either, or appear angry. Sorry if either happened.



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03 Jan 2009, 9:21 pm

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Sorry, it was late. I guess I just didn't think about what you were saying about him being like an 8yo. OK, I admit it. Savants can have a strange combination of strengths. I guess I just wasn't thinking about that aspect as I read about how he sung, played, and wrote music well, and properly detailed.

In any event, I wasn't discounting ANY of your story. I certainly don't discount that savants exist. I never said I didn't see one, hear of them, etc.... I simply said I never met one.(I was never personally near one, or personally told about one, that I assessed as a savant, or even heard was a savant.)


No worries. My impression was that he had the mentality of an 8 year old because he was very childlike and spent a lot of time with the neighborhood children. It is possible he was able to read or was otherwise higher functioning than I was aware of. It was a long time ago. My guess is that at minimum, he had perfect pitch and was able to memorize songs after a couple of hearings, which isn't exceedingly unusual but not typical of low functioning people.