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05 Jan 2009, 4:58 am

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Do Aspies do good in business?

Not if they use grammar like that :P


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05 Jan 2009, 5:46 am

Depends on the person.

As far as Aspie related things, we'd have a harder time because business is all about politics, social skills, and communication. Half the jobs in corporate america requires strong written and oral communication skills. Corporate America is not kind to people who are ecclectic with weird personality quirks. They really hate monologues. Things have to be short and to the point.

However, an Aspie who is able to fake it long enough can get around that. If you are faking it for sales calls, that's easier than an 8 hour work day in an office. I personally can fake it for parties, presentations, and short meetings. I seem to fake that first month pretty well in the 8 hour a day setting, but after I start getting comfortable, I can't seem to control myself in the monologues and weird phrases etc. that I create enemies which causes me to feel like I'm in a hostile work environment which I find incredibly stressful.

I think there are things outside of being an Aspie that could be good for one to build his/her own business irregardless of the Aspie social problems. My things that make me good at that I think are Aspie related such as the ability to think outside the box type thing. I'm here to tell you that the good idea doesn't make money as much as the ability to manage and sell the idea. I've done well in the past selling other people's ideas for other people with indirect marketing (i.e., advertising). For the first time in my life, I'm going to try to do that for me. But, I personally have some pitfalls to myself that are not Aspie related, and if I don't get a grip on those things, then I probably won't succeed. It's just a matter of being able to be my own boss effectively and be motivated to finish a task.

Either way, it really depends on the person and the position. I don't think you really need to consider Aspie on the matter except by truly sizing up your own social skills; otherwise, it's all about being able to line yourself up with the right type of job for all your strengths and weaknesses. There are many books out there for it, and I highly recommend "What Color is Your Parachute?"



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05 Jan 2009, 5:54 am

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ThisIsNotMyRealName is making fascinating claims (again) without any references whatsoever. FYI, I've never been unemployed, I've never been fired, and I've worked since 1987 in the IT-industry. I've also worked on less skilled jobs before I got my MSc, and I wasn't fired from there either, I actually got a permanent job from a temporary that I quit a couple of years later because of studies. You are just letting your stereotypes of AS judge your thinking (again). Besides, I did ask people what they worked with in Aspie-quiz a couple of years ago, and they could be found in basically every area.

TBH, nobody really cares what you think.
Why don't you go back to trolling on Usenet ?



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05 Jan 2009, 6:03 am

Greyhound wrote:
Qi wrote:
Do Aspies do good in business?

Not if they use grammar like that :P


LOL

No actually, in the states in my experience, I noticed they really don't care that much about grammar. And, to correct their grammar is insulting. I'm getting to the point where I no longer notice my bad grammar anymore. I will occasionally have a good day where I notice things, and I have no idea how...like catching a dangling modifier which I couldn't tell you what it is until I catch one on a good day.



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05 Jan 2009, 6:14 am

Tantybi wrote:
Greyhound wrote:
Qi wrote:
Do Aspies do good in business?

Not if they use grammar like that :P


LOL

No actually, in the states in my experience, I noticed they really don't care that much about grammar. And, to correct their grammar is insulting. I'm getting to the point where I no longer notice my bad grammar anymore. I will occasionally have a good day where I notice things, and I have no idea how...like catching a dangling modifier which I couldn't tell you what it is until I catch one on a good day.


Let's be FAIR. like I was! ****MAYBE**** he meant "do you do good things in business?

As for saying the US doesn't care, that is unfair! It seems NOBODY does! And that is true of MOST languages!



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05 Jan 2009, 6:29 am

2ukenkerl wrote:
Tantybi wrote:
Greyhound wrote:
Qi wrote:
Do Aspies do good in business?

Not if they use grammar like that :P


LOL

No actually, in the states in my experience, I noticed they really don't care that much about grammar. And, to correct their grammar is insulting. I'm getting to the point where I no longer notice my bad grammar anymore. I will occasionally have a good day where I notice things, and I have no idea how...like catching a dangling modifier which I couldn't tell you what it is until I catch one on a good day.


Let's be FAIR. like I was! ****MAYBE**** he meant "do you do good things in business?

As for saying the US doesn't care, that is unfair! It seems NOBODY does! And that is true of MOST languages!

I know people who care.


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05 Jan 2009, 12:45 pm

According to my business teacher I am the school's most promising entrepreneur! :D

Business Studies is my favorite subject in school (I dont like the crap I have to do in ICT at the moment) and I am actually becoming obsessed with it! :)



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05 Jan 2009, 1:56 pm

It will, of course, depend on the person, and a multitude of other variables.

In my profession, I see a lot of companies from inception to end. There are millions of great ideas out there, but far less are the ones with the talent to successfully bring those ideas to market while managing a efficient and living company.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I see my son being an entrepreneur with a partner. He's the idea guy, but he needs a lot of reality checks. And there are many, many things he simply cannot do. But even as a child he's done some projects partnering with friends and as long as they each have clear roles and don't question each other on their part of it, they can do some pretty cool things. He only has two friends, really, but he works incredibly well with both of them. I think that's actually part of his friendship requirement - they've got to balance him while respecting him and staying on the same page, or he doesn't seem to have much use for them.

In part, it may all come from conversations we've had - I have told him that he needs to find a way to compensate for skills he doesn't have, and am continually pointing out ways he might do that. In the process, he's found partners to be useful. But my business experience also tells me that it's smart thinking. Few are the entreprenuers who have all the skills in the bundle themselves. Most go out there as part of a team. Which complicates things in a different way, of course, but ...

SO that's my non-answer answer ;)


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05 Jan 2009, 2:02 pm

I want to go into business but I don't understand the whole dynamic of it well enough to do it myself. So when I do I am going to be going to as many sucessful sources as I know to try and figure out how to actually operate one and the dynamics of it. I have a lot of good business ideas, I am just not sure how to put them out there. Ultimatly I want to be a business owner though, as I just need that ability to be able to see my creation develope with the intentions I had for it sinc ethe beginning ofits conceptual creation.



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05 Jan 2009, 3:19 pm

It all depends on what you are selling. Suppose you have something rare, that's in demand, not easy to find. That product will practically sell itself. Suppose you are trying to sell precious metals or stones. You won't have much trouble there. Let's say you are trying to sell something that twenty other places have exact copies of. That might take more effort on your part and you would need to be aggressive and go into a sales persona to entice people.
Might want to try selling real estate, that takes attention to detail.



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05 Jan 2009, 3:30 pm

2ukenkerl wrote:
Tantybi wrote:
Greyhound wrote:
Qi wrote:
Do Aspies do good in business?

Not if they use grammar like that :P


LOL

No actually, in the states in my experience, I noticed they really don't care that much about grammar. And, to correct their grammar is insulting. I'm getting to the point where I no longer notice my bad grammar anymore. I will occasionally have a good day where I notice things, and I have no idea how...like catching a dangling modifier which I couldn't tell you what it is until I catch one on a good day.


Let's be FAIR. like I was! ****MAYBE**** he meant "do you do good things in business?

As for saying the US doesn't care, that is unfair! It seems NOBODY does! And that is true of MOST languages!


I thought he meant do you do well in business? Either way, it's a forum and informal, and everyone should be allowed to use bad grammar here. I saw the Greyhound post as a jest type thing hence the wink. As far as pointing out the states in general, I don't leave the country to know how it is elsewhere. It probably is the same everywhere, but I wouldn't know.



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05 Jan 2009, 5:05 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
It all depends on what you are selling. Suppose you have something rare, that's in demand, not easy to find. That product will practically sell itself. Suppose you are trying to sell precious metals or stones. You won't have much trouble there. Let's say you are trying to sell something that twenty other places have exact copies of. That might take more effort on your part and you would need to be aggressive and go into a sales persona to entice people.
Might want to try selling real estate, that takes attention to detail.


First, and this is to everyone else as well, I think it's most important to believe in your product you are selling. It's hard to sell something you, yourself, would never buy even if you could afford it.

Second, it's not the product but how you sell it. You are going to have competition everywhere you go, even in precious metals. My father once owned an AM radio station that he bought right before FM came out, and even in the late 80s, he sold more advertising for his AM station (in Christian format) than most FM stations were selling (including your popular formats). He was just good at what he did. He eventually gave the station away to our church (long story that I am supposed to know absolutely nothing about) and then became a Sales Manager for a country radio station, and he did sell more in that than his AM which just made him go from really good to amazing.

Third, if you have no market share or clientele, then you have so much room to grow. The hard thing to sell is when you are already selling the crap out of something and your boss wants you to sell more. You just gotta be hungry for it and do all the work involved in it.

Last, I would avoid going into real estate right now. Now's a good time to train and get that license, but I'd wait until the housing market does better before jumping into selling, especially if you depend on that income. You shouldn't be looking for something no one else is selling as much as something everyone is buying (or enough people are buying to where you are content with your commissions). You have to find what your buyers want and then be able to provide that product and then some. But that's easier for someone already set up in their career like real estate than for someone starting out.

Never work for commission only if you depend on that income. The good sales jobs provide a salary with commission, and most sales jobs love a history in telemarketing, so that's better on a resume than a commission only job.

I strongly suggest some business management and accounting classes no matter what you do. There's no point in making money if you don't know how to manage it. If you make a million but spend a million and one, then you are still in the hole. I throw that in because I see that lack of money management to be the major pitfall in many sales people.



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06 Jan 2009, 4:57 pm

Tantybi wrote:
I saw the Greyhound post as a jest type thing hence the wink.

Correct :)


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