How do you perceive meaning in music?

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07 Jan 2009, 3:56 pm

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Lyrics.

The tones mean nothing to me. Very much to abstract for me to put any kind of meaning into. I'm the what-you-see-is-what-you-get type. Music is music and that is all.

I find meaning in lyrics, though.
I also easily remember lyrics. I know the chorus of a song after the first time listening to it and the rest of the words perhaps the second time around.
I like to sing.

Same here - I tend to memorise songs quickly (unless they are in other languages...)


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07 Jan 2009, 4:45 pm

The only music I have found 'meaning' in is Information Society-Ozar Midrashim because of the tone or music. If you found meaning in the lyrics you'll have to be crazy. Download it from hear - http://beemp3.com/download.php?file=247 ... +Midrashim to see what I mean. It's the second half that I like, but it’s different than ant thing else I've listened to.



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07 Jan 2009, 4:48 pm

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mitharatowen wrote:
Lyrics.

The tones mean nothing to me. Very much to abstract for me to put any kind of meaning into. I'm the what-you-see-is-what-you-get type. Music is music and that is all.

I find meaning in lyrics, though.
I also easily remember lyrics. I know the chorus of a song after the first time listening to it and the rest of the words perhaps the second time around.
I like to sing.

Same here - I tend to memorise songs quickly (unless they are in other languages...)

I memorize songs in other languages too :lol:



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07 Jan 2009, 4:53 pm

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I've always been a musical person and I notice the music before the lyrics. My wife has always tuned into lyrics while I am the opposite. For the longest time she'd sing certain songs and I would say, "what song is that?" Then she'd tell me and I'd think, "no it's not" ... but she was always right. It took me most of my life to realize that in just about every song I've ever heard, I've always missed the lyrics. Except for a short while as a teenager when a friend and I thought we could sing and did it all the time. But still, he had to teach me most of the lyrics we would sing.

Today, some songs grab my attention to where I will notice the lyrics, but I still miss them in most songs. In general, music takes me away to a land where there are no lyrics! :)


My husband is like this. I will be singing a well-known song and he acts like he's never heard it and I'm like "What?? Yes you have! Everyone knows that song!" and then we will hear it on a commercial or the radio and I'm like "See this is the song" and he always says "Yes, I do know that song, you sang the tune incorrectly!"
Some examples are Pour Some Sugar on Me - Def Leppard and Never There - Cake. So I'm not a very great singer... but do I really mangle the tunes that badly?? I think he doesn't pay much attention to lyrics so can't recognize the song without the music.
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I do pretty well when watching the game show Don't Forget the Lyrics :D and I sing along to everything in stores or restaurants (quietly of course) and my husband commonly tells me that I know every song :lol:



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07 Jan 2009, 5:05 pm

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mitharatowen wrote:
Lyrics.

The tones mean nothing to me. Very much to abstract for me to put any kind of meaning into. I'm the what-you-see-is-what-you-get type. Music is music and that is all.

I find meaning in lyrics, though.
I also easily remember lyrics. I know the chorus of a song after the first time listening to it and the rest of the words perhaps the second time around.
I like to sing.

Same here - I tend to memorise songs quickly (unless they are in other languages...)

I memorize songs in other languages too :lol:

As can I, but it takes a little bit longer...


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07 Jan 2009, 5:13 pm

I listen to music to sort of get me going. I don't listen to music for the lyrics. If for whatever reason I need to listen to the lyrics, I noticed I have a problem understanding or even hearing what they say in a musical context even if the words are perfectly comprehensible, but once I read the lyrics I understand it.

I have also found that, I'll really like a song, then I read the lyrics and then I am disgusted by the song.



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07 Jan 2009, 5:17 pm

Sometimes I do.

I love this website: www.songmeanings.net I love seeing the viewpoints of others, it helps me understand the song.

Lyrics are my favorite part of music.



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07 Jan 2009, 5:31 pm

Hmm here is a question, for the ones who pay more attention to the music itself, do you sort of picture anything along with the music you listen to?
I sort of hear all the different parts to the music separately, and I see a sort of equalizer for each part to the music, but the equalizers are in a sort of scene, like the guitar riffs are the ocean, the drums are flashes in clouds, etc. I don't think its always like that with me though, unless the music is really uplifting or moving and I heard it before.

Also here is another question, do you externally express how you enjoy music ?

For instance, in a car full of people we will be listening to rock, metal, whatever, and everyone is banging their head, and me I'll like the music too but I don't jump around to it or anything, I'll just sit there and then people tell me that I am not "feeling it" or they think I don't like the music but I do.



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07 Jan 2009, 6:33 pm

Not sure how often I externally express enjoyment when listening to recordings, but to live music, sometimes I dance, and sometimes, I stare. And the latter I think could be easily missed by the casual observer. And the equivalent with a recording would be, well listening without doing anything.



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08 Jan 2009, 8:16 am

If anything I struggle with lyrics, I find them hard to make out and on the rare occasion I know enough words to sing along to something, I ALWAYS stuff it up..

As for melody, if I listen to music while sat at the keyboard I can pretty-much replicate it as I'm hearing it, I can see music in my head it comes out as textures and shapes, and this juxtaposition can be so moving and beautiful.

But lyrics, nah, I just avoid them!



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08 Jan 2009, 8:42 am

Acacia wrote:

To sum, the basic comparison I am drawing here is this:
What comprises meaning in a song to you?
Is it the words or the music?
Why?

Also,
Do you believe that traits of AS might be responsible for not getting meaning out of song lyrics, or having a predisposition to have emotional responses to elements of music, as I described?

Thanks for your input!


For me it is more the music than the words. As to lyrics, most lyrics are trite and banal. If you don't "get" them, you are not missing much.

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08 Jan 2009, 8:49 am

i see music as structure. i see the patterns that a musical sentence can trace in a structural way.
some patterns are extremely gifted and they are crafted by the structure of tonic assemblies.

musical sentences are parts of musical stories and their relationships in a structural way are intriguing to me.

i think of music i compose and play as just my internal algorithms that i perform with a simple structural musical conversion program in my genes.

but i hear mozart as a person gifted beyond the capacity of expected human achievability.

mozarts music is like a symphonic volcano of expanding structures that are eternally inevitable and unquestionable. it is like the song of a galaxy majestically swirling about it's furious but seemingly stable axis.

i am in awe of mozart. i find some of his music (symphony 41 (jupiter) for example) somewhat unsettling as it draws my mind in like a black hole sucks in even simple dust.
it is so well constructed that i feel paralyzed with intrigue but the song ends and he is dead now and there you go.



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08 Jan 2009, 9:05 am

i feel sorry for right brainers, listening mainly to the lyrics or having music as simply a background device...they're missing out on so much...

i hear music analytically, am able to break down the layers and notes instantly and then gain any emotional response i need from that. lyrics, if used well, can add an extra element to a song...but the human voice is such an expressive instrument that you could be singing made up words and as long as you sang it intensely and beautifully i wouldn't care...i kinda always thought that lyrics were there to give the non-musicians something to enjoy, lol x



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08 Jan 2009, 10:04 am

Patterns and rhythms. Lyrics mean little to me, but the singer(s) (if present) can also affect me, but its nearly always the beat. That's why I enjoy such a wide variety of music. I find a single song can change my mood simply by the little parts about the beat such as tone, pitch, frequency, intensity, those sorts of things.



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08 Jan 2009, 11:05 am

I listen to one "line" of music at a time. I can follow one instrument playing melody or percussion or vocals, but generally I don't hear them as an integrated whole (there are some exceptions). I'm curious as to how common that is.

Usually I concentrate exclusively on lyrics, which I usually memorise, and I sing all the time (well, when there's noone around, that is!) I do listen to instruments or percussion when they have a distinct "voice", though.


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08 Jan 2009, 11:19 am

I can't enjoy music where the lyrics are garbled. I read about Mars Volta, and got a CD, but the words were all but obscured. I gave it away.


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