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spudnik, zen_mistress, et alli,

You both very well may be correct, but aren't you what you do when it counts? If for example I always receive such a low score when I'm outside of home, is that any different than someone who receives such a score at home too? In the end, the outcome is effectively the same. I actually took several online IQ tests too (to test my theory), and most of them were around 60.... Barring the Raven Matrices test, which tended to be 130; but these aren't official.

One thing of note, an IQ of around sixty doesn't denote the inability to write and speak "intelligently", it just means that one has to work harder to get to the same place (for example, I was three years behind my peers in reading and writing when I entered primary school, and I had to have a ton of help outside of classes and inside too to catch up; they didn't have "special schools" that were Catholic back then).

I don't think these test scores are ever accurate. I had one and it said I was avarage... Everyone I know says thats a load of crap!

Whatever impairment you once had in reading and writing, at least as far as writing is concerned you've certainly overcome it and then some.

I have no idea how to judge intelligence but I do know something about judging writing and you are a very good writer. It may not be unusual for someone with mild mental retardation to be able to write at an average level but your writing is far better than average. You use good vocabulary (and in such a way that indicates that you know what the word means), your writing is clear, it is concise, it is grammatically correct.... Now that may all sound fairly unremarkable but I've seen plenty of things from people who have doctorates whose writing is far worse than yours on all counts.

I've probably read hundreds of posts of yours and I don't think I've for a moment suspected you are of below-average intelligence, so whatever deficits you have or once had, they don't show in your writing at all. I can't judge anything but as far as written communication goes I am absolutely confident that you are well above average.

I actually don't know the meaning of the words I use, rather, I know the context in which they're used. Whilst one can say that's knowing the meaning as one knows how to apply them, but if I'm given a single word and asked to explain what it means (the definition of it), I'm totally lost; I see nothing. Now, if something prompts my mind to remember a phrase of something I've read which includes said word, I then see how it's applied in a structured manner (I still don't know its meaning by itself; I see the sentence).

In other words, I truly don't understand language how one is supposed to, I'm just reciting stuff I've read (I've read a lot, and social isolation will do that). However, I get by adequately, and in a form that makes it look like I'm far more intelligent than I am when given standardized testing.

I'm probably using parts of my performance IQ in regards to this, i.e., pattern recognition.

I tried to find whether I was given the Raven Matrices when I was in grade 2 (which would explain the "high" score), but the school's psychologist didn't have the records.

maybe you should read more of your own posts, daniel!

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Doesn't surprise me....

Something like that. Both environments were very similar (similar rooms though on 1st time there was natural light and on the 2nd artificial which is a big thing for me, just slightly changed seating arrangements and absolute silence in that second test and both administered by different people) I did a pen and paper test in which I scored 70 (bottom of the test was 70) and on the first test, I had scored above 140 on playing with blocks. Seriously, have me do something and I'll do great - have me ponder on a paper and I'll fail, no matter how silent, AS-friendly and comfy the environment is. I also got -20 points on a general IQ test when I did the test about processing because I stared at the paper a lot. Probably not exactly what you're looking for but the 20-70 points is huge enough for me.

Who knows? My father and I spoke last night about a number of things, and one was my MR step brother. It turns out that, at times, he can actually READ well. It sounds like his abilities go from about average to much lower. I never had an IQ test that resulted in less than triple digits. But I HAVE had cases where I took a test, and was far from capable, due to the circumstances, etc.... In one such test, I was even surprised I passed.

It is hard to peg where you are, but I agree with the others that you do not sound like you really have an IQ that is that low. Your description sounds like you felt like I did, and did poorly simply because of circumstance.

As for changing IQs, it is a myth that the IQ never changes and can't be changed, as it's goal is to determine your MA. The IQ is merely MA/your age *100.

I wouldn't worry about it. I've been accused of 'cheating' on IQ tests, whatever that means - how do you cheat those test? I don't know - it was a psycho recruitment officer's accusation anyway. It's all a bit of nonsense really, these days I wouldn't perform as well in IQ tests as I did as a young person, my memory skills have deteriorated a lot.

I do recall finding the pattern recognition stuff fairly easy, and I think most aspies find that part fairly easy. I was a bookworm and a language enthusiast as a young person, so that gave me the ability to do the reading comprehension bits as well. Maths is my 'weak' skill so that would be my lowest scoring part.

You possibly got a skewed result, I have never done an IQ test in a one off isolated situation, they were always large scale school or recruitment tests with loads of people sitting at desks doing the same test.

you are obviously intelligent enough to have dismissed the result as soon as you got it.

a score of 59 makes you near the bottom of the intellectual area where "morons" are.
a person who is 59 is almost classifiable as an "imbecile" (in older terminology where the word "idiot" referred to the most profound level of retardation (0-30)).

i know that you are above average intelligence due to the correctness of your sentences and the imagery sequence in your posts. also you describe potential disqualifiers that maybe responsible for your score.

you must be sure the score was wrong.

i once got a score of 25 in an IQ test at a school i went to (my parents told me as the teachers were not allowed to tell me my score).

i got that score because it was my mission to answer every question incorrectly (ODD).
but i was not smart enough to achieve my desired goal of 0 iq. i must have got some answers right. they were the ones i was not really sure of.

of course the test was considered invalid, and it was another reason that i was sent away to psychiatric units (that i liked being at).

did you intentionally not try?

no need to answer as i feel uneasy about asking questions.

I found a nice little comparison of various IQs in Autism and how they relate to symptoms and outcome, and I actually fit the 50 to 60 range in manifestation.

Here

It has, "Concrete functional speech" (which I have), and "May acquire reading, writing, math skills." The lack of speech I had as a child. I suppose the IQ of 59 is accurate as far as this goes.

Last edited by Danielismyname on 25 Feb 2009, 7:56 am, edited 1 time in total.

I did my best at the time, like with everything that I do.

I don't know what my actual score is, but all my tests have said roughly the same thing... 96th percentile. This meaning that I am supposedly smarter than 96% of the population... BS... I struggle with way too many things for that to be accurate... IQ means nothing... Sure right up until university I had only done homework that was marked and recieved grades that most people struggled to get, but come university, the lack of studying hit me like a brick wall... Throw in the AS and you have someone who is so mentally crippled from various things that he really feels like life is going nowhere for him, even when he does succeed. My high IQ also gives people unrealistic expectations of me.

ok but i can not believe you are 59.

"you redefine 59" may be a good basis for a song.

My own case, I was not in the highest percentile. So I'm on the low side of average. Now the school once said that I was borderline MR. But since I left school, I discovered that I was not.
I was tested by the BVR. Now I have an Associate Degree. But it has not changed my life, not one cent.
At one time, BVR psychologist came to my home to test me. All I got was the same results.
Now even with an Assoicate Degree, nothing have changed regarding IQ.

The myth that your IQ can change is just that. I like computers and know a great deal about them.
I have a hard time with math. And every paper that I wrote in college, I needed someone to correct my mistakes. If not, I would get a "F" or "D" on my paper.

And that's part of my strange life.

Forget the damned test! You sound perfectly sane and intelligent to me.

ruveyn