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RubieRoze
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09 Mar 2009, 2:00 pm

Here is an excellent layperson's description of narcissism.

I'd say only a teeny minority on this board display any of the qualities listed there.



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09 Mar 2009, 2:07 pm

This is a website where people who have problems with social interactions come to share their experiences. That link, in my opinion, is quite insulting.



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09 Mar 2009, 2:20 pm

benjimanbreeg wrote:
serenity wrote:
benjimanbreeg wrote:
serenity wrote:
ephemerella wrote:
benjimanbreeg wrote:
I'm not sure if its an aspie thing. But a lot of us do show at least some kind of interest in other people. But there's a select few on here that don't seem to even achknowledge the other person. Its just "me me me", "my problems". They might as well be talking to a automated machine. Maybe they just aren't aware of it, and pointing it out to them may upset them.


AS are accused of being self-centered. I think that's part of the social issues, not really narcissism.

Narcissists have delusions of their own grandeur and will often go to great lengths to validate their delusions, some even to the point of criminal activity and abuse.

They also feed off the admiration and attention of others. Sometimes they develop into very socially manipulative, charismatic users.

AS tend to be more self-centered than narcissistic, IMO. A personality disorder tends to develop in some intense interpersonal trauma or codependent attachment. AS tend to be too independent to develop codependent-type personality disorders.


I agree with the above post. Except, I'm not really sure that it's self-centeredness, but what would appear as such due to lack of social or emotional reciprocity, which is listed as #4 in the DSM under Qualitative impairment in social interaction.

Also, there are one or two people that I think do have a personality disorder that post regularly. Not only by the self-centered nature of their posts, but how they know just how to bait everyone into chaos, then sit back, and watch the show.


Just thought i'd make a post then :wink:
:lol:

No, seriously, I wasn't pointing any fingers at you. I absolutely refuse to post in the threads, or in response to any of the people that I'm referring to. Drama really annoys me, so I try to steer clear if at all possible.


So you start a thread and then just sit back? :twisted:

All the time. Ask anyone around here, they'll tell you I'm nothing but trouble. :wink: :lol:



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09 Mar 2009, 2:27 pm

Don't worry, i've heard about you in these here parts :wink:


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09 Mar 2009, 2:31 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
This is a website where people who have problems with social interactions come to share their experiences. That link, in my opinion, is quite insulting.


I don't understand why that link is insulting? It's talking about NPD, not AS, and it's not (at least not the little bit that I read) equating AS with NPD, so I guess I'm lost as to why it's insulting.



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09 Mar 2009, 2:40 pm

I'm not going to argue about it. That link is negative but think what you will.



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09 Mar 2009, 3:17 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
I'm not going to argue about it. That link is negative but think what you will.

I am a person who I believe has many AS qualities and was raised by a person who has a lot of narcissistic qualities. As a result, I was raised to believe that such behavior was "normal." When I finally started to realize that the reality I had been presented with was less than true, I found sites such as this enlightening - that this kind of behavior was NOT socially acceptable.

It was not meant to be an insult but as a tool for self-examination.



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09 Mar 2009, 3:21 pm

RubieRoze wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
I'm not going to argue about it. That link is negative but think what you will.

I am a person who I believe has many AS qualities and was raised by a person who has a lot of narcissistic qualities. As a result, I was raised to believe that such behavior was "normal." When I finally started to realize that the reality I had been presented with was less than true, I found sites such as this enlightening - that this kind of behavior was NOT socially acceptable.

It was not meant to be an insult but as a tool for self-examination.

I realize you want to make a point but the link you provided to make that point is full of insults. It's kind of degrading, no offense.



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09 Mar 2009, 3:31 pm

The more I found out about unacceptable social behavior, the more I realized how much I of it I had absorbed myself - because I never knew anything different. When I took a good look at how this behavior was affecting other people - and thus my own life, I took (and am STILL taking) difficult steps to think and behave better.

I still visit sites like this when I get really discouraged just to remind myself that I am NOT like that. . . I CAN make BETTER behavioral choices and that I if I can't make other people's lives better, I at least can have a "null" effect.

Again, no insult intended.



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09 Mar 2009, 3:35 pm

That's okay...I was just kind of surprised when I clicked that link...



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09 Mar 2009, 5:57 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
This is a website where people who have problems with social interactions come to share their experiences. That link, in my opinion, is quite insulting.
Yes and no. I'm kind of mixed about that link. But anyway, it's not about us.

If anything, it's about everyone except us. One of my main problems is that I don't fall for that crap because it takes me too long to figure out the lies. I'm often too naive to be fooled by most narcissists. (You can't cheat an honest man.) I see through their self-serving logic before I even understand what they want from me. If I point out a self-contradiction, people get mad at me because they think I'm refusing to play the game, when I haven't even gotten to that point yet.

I'm thinking of someone in particular who gets so tangled in her own lies that she can't keep track, then gets mad at me for pointing out the obvious self-contradictions. I'm bad because I caught you lying and stealing? How does that make me bad? "You think too much!" :huh: I've spent a lot of time letting people get away with really stupid stuff because I'm dumbfounded by the stupidity and feel sorry for them. Even when I know what's going on, it twists my head around because I can't figure out whether they're really that stupid, or they just think I am...

Isn't she just a little bit embarrassed by getting caught in a lie? And when she tells me a funny story about how she scammed someone else, doesn't she think I can figure it out and know that she will do the same to me? Nope, not at all. She really believes that it's normal and that everyone does it. And the worst part is that it's true.

It just makes me want to find a cave or an island.



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09 Mar 2009, 6:56 pm

Actually there is NO SUCH THING as a "narcissist"...it is just a catchphrase invented by a bankrupt Israeli conman, in exile in the Balkans, for the soul purpose of selling an otherwise unpublishable (and largely unreadable), self publised, self printed, and extortionately priced book, while gratifying his pathological need to kid himself that he is a top-notch academic...

The writer of Narcissists Suck is just a desperately screwed up wannabe's wannabe cashing in as an attention seeking exercise...harmless enough, but for heaven's sake, don't take her (or anyone who identifies with vampire/dragon slayers or witchhunters) seriously on the subject of psychology...

M.



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09 Mar 2009, 7:33 pm

Tahitiii wrote:
It just makes me want to find a cave or an island.

I think about living in a cave a lot, how cool it would be to find a nice, quiet cave somewhere as long as there was a food and water source and a decent place to sleep, plus the internetz, of course!