AUTISM AND MENTAL RETARDATION ARE DIFFERENT!

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okay... will you guys please calm down?

It's a good video, very informative. I do know people that would think autism is the same as mental retardation.
I could follow what you were talking about quite clearly.
Also, was that System of a Down playing in the background?

I would like to mention that I've also encountered someone who thought autism was the same thing as mental retardation, and thought the word "autism" was simply used as a nicer term for it.

Okay I'll give you a break and I do understand that you dont't know the difference between the word Moron and ret*d and I probably do more work on the web than you could even contemplate.

About 3/4 of all individuals with Autistic Disorder have mental retardation via the WAIS-IV or whatever (the standard IQ test).

It's associated with Kanner's Autism, but it's usually not seen in Asperger's Syndrome.

Considering there's such a high prevalence of mental retardation in Autistic Disorder, one could say that they're one and the same insofar as what causes the mental retardation (the developmental delay, with social schooling intelligence being just one of the areas delayed).

Autistic Disorder makes up roughly 1/4 of the spectrum; Asperger's is the other quarter, and PDD-NOS makes up the rest (which is all over the place).

I have Autistic Disorder and I have an IQ of 59. Is the IQ of 59 due to something else, or is it due to the Autistic Disorder? I'm betting on the Autistic Disorder, as my cognitive pattern isn't "even" like people with straight mental retardation; my skills are all over the place.

Whether you call it a splintered cognitive pattern or mental retardation, it's the same thing, as the end result is the same (the IQ).

This is one problem I have with people who have Asperger's and think they represent "autism". It's a spectrum, and the people with the most severe autism have profound to moderate mental retardation, with those of a moderate level of impairment having mild mental retardation (50 to 60) and those above 70 being classed as "mild". IQ is directly related to severity in regards to autistic symptoms, and this has been known for a very long time (it's not coincidence that Asperger's has only recently been focused on in the west. Autism has been around for 40 years in psychology, and my psychiatrist was taught about it back then; Autistic Disorder hasn't changed since then to him).

More to the point, not only is autism = mental retardation a fallacy--but the distinction between the two matters only to people who care.Trolls intentionally disrupt conversations and say things they know will piss people off. It doesn't matter to them who they hurt.

After all there's a reason why one loses all credibility upon using "ret*d" as an insult. It's a cheap shot,mean spirited, and utterly devoid of creativity and intelligence--their reaction is of no consequence.The audience who matters are people who care and people who don't know.

Thank you Daniel for pointing out what I've been trying to say but since I'm not very well spoken it is harder for me to make a clear point and that is that there are many of us on the spectrum who are indeed autistic and technically ret*d because of our measured IQ. It just seemed to me that DiabloDave was ignoring a lot of autistic people because he does not understand the condition and is more familiar with Aspergers and people who have high IQ's. For that reason I do not think he speaks for many of us autistic people. And I do find the term Moron, used in his link, very offensive and outright insensitive for somebody to use who has Aspergers.

Thank you Daniel for pointing out what I've been trying to say but since I'm not very well spoken it is harder for me to make a clear point and that is that there are many of us on the spectrum who are indeed autistic and technically ret*d because of our measured IQ. It just seemed to me that DiabloDave was ignoring a lot of autistic people because he does not understand the condition and is more familiar with Aspergers and people who have high IQ's. For that reason I do not think he speaks for many of us autistic people. And I do find the term Moron, used in his link, very offensive and outright insensitive for somebody to use who has Aspergers.

A major barrier to achieving a comprehensive and objective answer as to what the relationship between autism and intellectual retardation is, is the absence of any comprehensive and objective definition as to what intelligence actually is (then there is the related issue of how we might measure it comprehensively and objectively).

According to one "expert" that Kim Peeks is not intelligent in any sense (he is simply like a dumb computer, input in:output out, no intervening intelligence between), can be demonstrated by the fact that when he leaves a building after an appointment, he cannot find the car he arrived in without assistance. By that measure, I am also devoid of any real intelligence. None the less, I vainly like to believe I possess at least a little, even if I cannot easily find the car I arrived in....

It's funny but people don't call me ret*d unless I bring up the fact that I have aspergers and then I get the social ret*d label which may be true in some ways.

But I find it funny how people will label just about anything in the worst way possible just to get rise out of some of us.