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Tantybi
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10 Mar 2009, 11:53 pm

That's funny. I stare at the lips because that's where the noise comes out. No wonder guys hit on me all the time. LOL

Yes, my handshakes are firm and my palms are usually downward, and I'm very aggressive. Most complaints from co-workers are that I'm too domineering. I'm not bossy because I don't tell people what to do. I get wishy washy on that. But, I am fairly aggressive, and I often feel like people think I'm more aggressive that what I am. Maybe that's why.

I cross my legs all the time. I had one doc tell me I was double jointed, but I can't do anything totally amazing except that I'm incredibly flexible. Because of my increased flexibility, I'm just more comfortable with my legs the way I sit. I don't cross them the way everybody else does. I keep one leg folded up with the heel on my hip like indian style, but then the other leg just folds over that one at the knee. I don't sit like that during job interviews, and it makes me all the more uncomfortable because I can't. I'm more like a cat. I don't sit. I lounge.

The head tilt totally makes sense. Dogs communicate that way too.

Some other body language tips/reading people from the top of my head... if they shake their leg rapidly, they want to be somewhere else. And I think people do that when they have to pee, which would be that they want to be somewhere else too I guess.

I also heard that people will look the direction of the side of the brain they use, or the opposite of it. I can't remember which. You can usually tell which side is more dominant by which side they glance at more, especially with teachers in a classroom.

Undercover cops in a bar usually are the only guy not drinking alcohol, or they are sipping on the same beer for hours, and they are usually the quiet guy in the background that most people don't notice. In fact, anybody I notice who sits back and quietly keeps to themselves in a bar is generally somebody who doesn't want to be noticed. Aspies don't want to be noticed for reasons quite obvious, but NT's that do that have a reason.

The one that makes people think I'm psychic, if they hate something, that usually means they love it and it hurt them. The reason people think I'm psychic on that one is that when I hear them go on and on about how much they hate their ex, I tell them they are still in love and they are so amazed that I would know that. It just usually seems obvious to me, but I guess not most people.

Anyway, that's all I can remember from the top of my head. I'd be pretty reaching into theory to go into it anymore. But I did like that info. I just hope I don't forget it all.



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11 Mar 2009, 11:13 pm

I find that banging my forehead over and over on the table, shouting "Stupid! Stupid! Stupid!" is an effective expression of disdain,



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12 Mar 2009, 5:29 am

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Very useful thanks.

I've struggled with eye contact for a while, I know I'm supposed to do it, but it's hard for me to get it right.


Ditto. I feel like I'm making a cake without a recipe in these situations. "Am I using too much eye contact? Too little? Time to back off for a few seconds? Time to look again?" Nightmare.

Why can't we all wear mirror sunglasses?

I've learnt so many tips from my mistakes and just reading stuff, or being told. It's like, "Ah... Well, nobody told me."

Learning to be socially normal and fit in is exhausting. Good thing there are so many "interesting/strange" people out there that are not normal - for whatever reason.

You should add to that list - Don't regale the interviewers with stories that have nothing to do with the job, and are, when we think about it later, frankly a little odd. I have trouble with sticking to the context. What has been in my head or is currently in my head tends to creep into the conversation, however bizarre it might be to other people. Sometimes it's easier to bite your tongue and shut up. :oops:



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12 Mar 2009, 11:16 am

Jimboomba wrote:
WanderMan wrote:
Very useful thanks.

I've struggled with eye contact for a while, I know I'm supposed to do it, but it's hard for me to get it right.


Ditto. I feel like I'm making a cake without a recipe in these situations. "Am I using too much eye contact? Too little? Time to back off for a few seconds? Time to look again?" Nightmare.

Why can't we all wear mirror sunglasses?

I've learnt so many tips from my mistakes and just reading stuff, or being told. It's like, "Ah... Well, nobody told me."

Learning to be socially normal and fit in is exhausting. Good thing there are so many "interesting/strange" people out there that are not normal - for whatever reason.

That's exactly how I commit job suicide (blow the interview). I can't control it when I'm that nervous. I just start talking about stupid things nobody wants to hear about. i don't even want to talk about them, but I do. In my mind when I'm doing it, I tell myself to stop and shut up, but then I don't want to abruptly stop, so then I talk in circles trying to close it, and I can't find a way to close it. My favorite is when I think I do close it, the people sit there staring at me like they want me to continue, even after a good 5 or 10 seconds of silence. I try to apologize it for it sometimes stating I'm just really nervous, and they always do the NT thing of, "that's okay, we totally understand" and then I feel more relaxed, but for whatever reason, I don't really think they understood or thought it was okay.

You should add to that list - Don't regale the interviewers with stories that have nothing to do with the job, and are, when we think about it later, frankly a little odd. I have trouble with sticking to the context. What has been in my head or is currently in my head tends to creep into the conversation, however bizarre it might be to other people. Sometimes it's easier to bite your tongue and shut up. :oops:



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12 Mar 2009, 12:01 pm

Never had trouble reading people,..but I dont make eye contact because I think clearer if I dont have to wage war in a staredown,.. it's difficult enough to talk without seizing up reading the feelings in someones eyes,..and Im paranoid enough scanning for ulterior motives and mind games to go with them while listening to the person,... then when its my turn to recipricate, words that are supposed to formulate sentences into an orderly manner, turn into images and symbols instead,.. therefore I have to analyse exactly what they are internally, and untangle the scrambled mess back out of the impermissable imagery, in order to continue to deliver coherently,.. this is all excrutiatingly difficult to do in prompt due,.. Im on the most symplistic rote for communication with strangers,..and I can only imagine I come across as not only odd, obviously, but as dense as an insect aswell. :x



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12 Mar 2009, 12:14 pm

VMSnith wrote:
I find that banging my forehead over and over on the table, shouting "Stupid! Stupid! Stupid!" is an effective expression of disdain,


Yeah, that´ll do it. :lol:


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12 Mar 2009, 1:24 pm

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When you meet the interviewer, look her right in the eyes, then think to yourself, "Wow, so great to finally meet you!" This will make you smile, and she'll pick up on your positive mood. When we look at someone we find interesting, our pupils dilate, a phenomenon the other person instinctively picks up on.


Hahahahahaha! Yea right. How does one cross the threshold between thinking "wow great to meet you" and actually believing it?

I imagine in these times most people are really thinking this...

"Listen, I want this job so I can pay my rent. I sent you my resume and I told you my skills. Frankly I don't give a sh*t about you and neither does anyone else. If you're not going to hire me because I didn't kiss your ass enough in this interview then say it to my face right now. I'm not in a good mood so if you're not interested I'd appreciate it if you didn't waste my time."

I interpreted it as - the act of thinking such a corny (and probably untrue) statement, makes you smile - the interviewer doesn't need to know why you're smiling. It isn't about being true or false - it's about making a good presentation.

Having been a professional performer for almost half my life, I know & appreciate the value of making a good initial impression on your audience. You want to make them feel that you are happy to see them, even if you're having a bad day. You also want to make them feel good about seeing you. I guarantee that if you don't accomplish these two things almost immediately, it doesn't matter how good you are at what you do - they aren't going to ask you back.


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12 Mar 2009, 1:36 pm

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Warning: Staring at a person's lips is considered sexual, while looking at their forehead is considered condescending.



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wow that's something new. my boss always stairs at my lips when I talk, I though he was bad on hearing or something... pervert :p


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12 Mar 2009, 1:55 pm

anna-banana wrote:
Lightning88 wrote:

Warning: Staring at a person's lips is considered sexual, while looking at their forehead is considered condescending.



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wow that's something new. my boss always stairs at my lips when I talk, I though he was bad on hearing or something... pervert :p


I wouldn't go that far. Many people on the spectrum are uncomfortable making eye contact. The lips are easier to focus on and it gives us another input to make sure that our ears are correctly hearing the words that our eyes see the lips forming.



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12 Mar 2009, 1:58 pm

Nephesh wrote:
anna-banana wrote:
Lightning88 wrote:

Warning: Staring at a person's lips is considered sexual, while looking at their forehead is considered condescending.



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wow that's something new. my boss always stairs at my lips when I talk, I though he was bad on hearing or something... pervert :p


I wouldn't go that far. Many people on the spectrum are uncomfortable making eye contact. The lips are easier to focus on and it gives us another input to make sure that our ears are correctly hearing the words that our eyes see the lips forming.


but he's not autistic!

I'm pretty sure that my other boss is an aspie though, and he doesn't even look in my general direction when we talk :p


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13 Mar 2009, 12:52 pm

anna-banana wrote:
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I wouldn't go that far. Many people on the spectrum are uncomfortable making eye contact. The lips are easier to focus on and it gives us another input to make sure that our ears are correctly hearing the words that our eyes see the lips forming.


but he's not autistic!

I'm pretty sure that my other boss is an aspie though, and he doesn't even look in my general direction when we talk :p


You think he isn't autistic, he could be on the spectrum and have some difficulty with maintaining eye contact. Give him the benefit of the doubt rather than assuming some perversion on his part. If he were staring at other body parts then you might have a case, but many people have a habit of watching the lips to make sure that they are hearing properly. Judge others with compassion.