Do you think that Elitism is a problem in the WP community?

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Dude, I hope I'm just not getting the joke here. R U F-ing kidding me?

Cause if you're serious... damn man, keep it to yourself.

I am on this site because I want to SUPPORT other people who've had my problems. I want them to feel they are not alone and I want them to do the same for me. I have to take enough s**t from my everyday life already, it'd be nice if I could come to a place where people UNDERSTOOD each other problems and tried to help each other.

So you know what? Let's lighten up, let's cut each other some slack. The OP clearly went through some sort of rough patch, he doesn't need any one kicking him when he's down.

There is a HUGE difference between bein AS and not knowing how to show empathy and being a straight up JERK and saying things that are deliberately hurtful.

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If you don't mind me asking, what has given you the impression WP is Elitist? I look at the threads from time to time and it doesn't look particularly elitist. People start threads and others respond, I don't get how it can be called that. Have you had a different experience here?
I wrote all this before I saw the second half of your post. When I peek at the threads I see members supporting members. Do you feel like they haven't been particularly supportive of you?

In order to gain understanding of a persons specific problems it is necessary that a person be very specific in outling what problems they want sympathy for otherwise it is hard for some people on the spectrum to interpret generalities and vague suggestions. One also has to take into consideration that some people have 'mental' issues or problems that have nothing to do with autism but with things like paranoia and schizo personality type so sometimes it's hard to tell what they're talking about because they can't generate clarity with their thoughts and perceptions.

Actually feeling left out is just as bad as being fired or grieving over a loved one.
If you focus all your attention on being accepted and keep getting rejected I imagine you would feel very alone, even going to the lengths of taking your own life. So, it can be a real problem to some.

Well like I said, I am kinda new, so I guess I could be wrong. But What I percieved in several threads was people expressing disdain for the so called "NT" people. The elitism I was talking about was sort of a frustration or resentment for the rest of the world.

I noticed a lot of people calling "NT"'s sheep and unorigional where as the AS people were the great inovators etc... In other words we were better than everyone else.

I try not to believe anyone is better or worse than anyone else, we are all just different. But I do think that I do not expect the world to change to accommodate me, I think I need to accept that NT people ususally behave in a certain way and work around that. As far as some other people were getting angry at NT people for just doing what they do... I guess that's what I meant by elitism.

Does that make sense? lol

I agree, but Beyond that, I would add this:

If you are reading someone elses problem and you think it's "not a real problem" just keep it to yourself! Anyone who reads about someone elses grief and then starts going off on them and telling them their problems aren't bad enough is a JERK.

I want to try to be supportive of people WHETHER THEIR PROBLEM IS BIG OR SMALL.

All human beings have in this life are each other.

Ah, sure, Wander Man it makes sense now. I thought you meant elitism as in WP members expressing elitist attitudes toward other members with ASDs.
I've been here a while and it used to be worse than this. People here aren't refering to those not under the spectrum as NT as much as they did when I first arrived. I still see an anti NT thread or post from time to time but I think to myself person posting about NT is probably having a bad day.
I hope you find your niche here, Wander Man.

I agree. Yes, I have an arrogant, condescending personality and I'm PROUD OF IT! I may be autistic, but hell, I've overcome so much in my life. I'm one of the top guys at my job, have a hot girlfriend who I wanna marry, and I own my own business which is SLOWLY getting more and more notice.

After that, I get tired of hearing people b***h and whine about how hard life is. Yeah, it's hard, get used to it.

As Rocky Balboa even says in his self-titled movie "it ain't how hard you can hit, it's how hard you can get hit and keep on moving; THAT'S how winning is done"

I see most NTs as super emotion-based, and I have little sympathy for those who put emotion over logic and reason. If you want to know how the "fire got started", I think it was primarily with them, on Day 1, if you get my drift.

Yes, I threw in a Billy Joel reference there.

FU, you are the one who is not welcome here.

You know what I'd call a real "loser" some one who has to build up their own fragile ego by attacking people when they feel down. Pick on some one your own size.

Or better yet, keep your snide comments to yourself.

Yeah life is hard for some of us. Those of you who are making huge successes of yourselves count yourselves lucky because you truly are! Not everyone gets the same breaks in life as you.

I didn't get breaks dude...I made my own breaks.

I gave it my all, and when that wasn't enough, I gave it more. That's how you succeed in this world.

You made the most of it but yes, you did have fortune that some people don't have. Believe it or not, everyone who has misfortune doesn't have it because they didn't work hard or are inferior in some way or are lazy scum. Some people really do have it rough and no matter what they don't get very far.

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I agree with almost everything you say. Yes we must work hard to succeed in life. Yes you deserve credit for what you achieved and I am happy for you.

But how can you possibly agree with that jerk going around attacking the OP and calling them a "loser"? I mean seriously being a bully doesn't help anyone and it doesn't make sense.

Did you get to have all the success you have by being a bully? I doubt it. I bet you achieved success by staying positive and trying to think constructively.

when Inventor called the OP a "loser" that wasn't constructive at all. That's pointless and rude, and it won't help him or any of us overcome our challenges.

I agree with Fnord and millie in some aspects cuz it can be annoying and chaotic. On the otherhand, I agree with WanderMan and Pensieve. Not everything is as black and white as that. There are some people who actually suffer from major depression disorders as well as the bullying. It can be a very painful experience especially if one cannot control it. I've had to seek professional help for it myself so I've been careful in assuming that most people are just acting "emo" or upset for attention. Not everyone is on the same page when it comes to feelings of suicide or "popularity".

As for elitism...yes but not as bad as the real world. Actually I'm surprised the gobs of people here who have been supportive instead of destructive. It's a wild world and life can be hard. All you can do is look to those who are willing to help and take in as much as you you are willing to learn. I agree with NT crap but I guess for some people it's a way of venting just like other negative labels used here. Then again, how common is it to hear people get pissed off at NTs in real life? Not much unless you're at an aspie convention of some kind.

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Wanna know how "easy" my life was?

1. My dad's side of the family despises me.

2. I was treated like crap virtually my entire childhood, and was prank phone-called all throughout.

3. My MOM was a basket case who cared more about how people would view her if she walked around the mall in the middle of the day to look for a job, than actually FEEDING HER FAMILY.

4. My Dad, while a decent guy, is a spineless hermit who can't stand up for himself if his life depends on it, has like no self confidence, and ain't too bright or motivated, either.

5. My entire life, my parents and I were pretty much broke, & they had to keep borrowing money from my grandparents. Oh, btw, the rest of my family is successful and well-off.

6. Most of my jobs treated me like crap, and at one of them I even had to deal with a Watergate-style cover-up against me; I'm not making this up.


Even after all that, and BEING AUTISTIC, I overcame, used some of my tendencies to my advantage, and am becoming successful. So don't pull this "well, you were lucky where I'm not" crap on me. REALLY.....

Now THIS I can understand. I totally hear that. But I don't like hearing 'wah wah, my life is hard....I need some breaks, or I'll get nowhere". VERY uninspiring..