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I hate when people are talking ALL THE TIME, it drives me insane! In math class the other day, we were doing pie charts, which I am good at cos you can use a calculator and just get into the rhythym of typing in the numbers, etc, but the teacher decided to move me next to someone else so they can "help" me, just cos I'm the new girl (in all fairness, the teacher probably thought he was helping me by doing that). But right behind me was the most annoying noisy human being I have ever had the misfortune to meet! Three people around her got sent out the room for talking, yet she was just allowed to sit there squeaking like a kookaburra with nothing of substance to say! I wanted to say, "Sir, can't you send HER out instead, she's the one making all the noise!" I had a killer headache by the end of the lesson, I wish I'd told her to STFU.
It also annoys me when people have to say things like, "It's a lovely day," and stuff. I'm not BLIND, I can SEE that it's a lovely day, and I am probably just thinking that and enjoying it...when someone verbalises it just because they want to be chattering 24/7. That detracts from the day's loveliness and puts me in a very bad mood. Interrupting my thoughts is the same as interrupting when someone is speaking, which is why I highly dislike it when people speak to me for no reason. If they have something of consequence to say, fair enough, but more often that not, they don't.
I was in such an anti-social mood on the car journey to my dad's house yesterday, that I couldn't even bear to hear my mum and brother talking to EACH OTHER. I turned my iPod up loud so it completely blocked out their voices (which is probably bad for my ears, but so is hearing the idle chit-chat). Then my brother kept turning round and staring at me to piss me off, so I'm like, "WHAT?!" and he says, "I'm speaking to you," and I say, "Well, what do you want?!" and he says, "I ain't speaking to you if your being nasty," and I say, "Well, STFU and leave me alone, then!" cos I know full well he hadn't been speaking to me at all, and was just trying to piss me off. And he succeeded.
Things like this piss me off enough when I'm just sitting there, but when I'm trying to work it's even worse!
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It's the Parachute Game.
(for illustrative purposes only)
Mushroooom!
You'd probably call it an "NT social-bonding ritual" or something.
It does however involve a rather colourful piece of material and very simple, easy to follow rules. You don't actually have to hold hands and dance in a ring with everyone because you're holding onto the chute. So:
A. You don't feel left out because you can't find anyone to work with
B. It involves an interesting material, so you can learn about air resistance at the same time
C. You feel important because when your name is called you can run under the chute alone.
D. It's fun because it's unambiguous.
This is "messing about" at it's finest.
Sometimes these "normal folks" do get it right.
I love the parachute game!
We hardly ever get to do that anymore, though.
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Can you tell the teacher that the new seat is in a noisy spot and that you can't think or work when someone noisy is bad enough to distract you?
Find something good on the Internet that talks about how noises and other things can make it hard for autistic people to focus, print it out, highlight the sentences that fit your problem best.
Tell him you actually got headaches there. Hand him that paper along with telling him your problem. (It helps to have another source of info to back up what you are trying to say, since people can misunderstand us easily).
Good idea, thanks for the advice.
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I'm sorry. I was trying to respond to every post, and then my internet died on me for a few days. I have no idea how long it's going to last this time, and I got caught up in other posts recently too, so I apologize.
Anyway, I will say one biggie I noticed is group work. I hated group work. Either someone else botched up the whole deal, or I got stuck doing all the work. I hate being graded as if I'm a group of five. I get that now. Everybody expects my house to be as clean as if my husband were actually helping me on it.
I do think Aspies do better at a work on your own at your own pace environment.
Now does anyone construe travel as a positive learning experience? Also, do you think travel helps people realize there's a bigger world around them, and therefore, those who travel young are less apt to be self indulged in their own worlds?
Now, in contrast, does anyone think any Apsergers behaviors interfere with the ability to learn? If so, what ones?
For instance, I think the concept of herding interferes with a neurotypical learning because that's the reason teachers often say, "don't hesitate to ask any questions," and why people who do have questions refuse to raise their hand and ask. Now, that would only be a decent theory if Aspies were the type to ask questions in class more so than NT's.
It was in my case more that in areas which were my special interest, I took over the teacher's job; sometime finishing the sentences he started.
But generally I learned much more out formal education, even in jobs, when I needed to familiarize myself with a new subject. The set-up in a class or in teams never fit very well my learning pattern.
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More generally spoken: Modern education is to big extent better trailered to NT-needs. Team work and emotional learning seems to play a very important role. For the most NTs that's fine, but for an Aspie it much more a problem than the traditional frontal education.
Now, in contrast, does anyone think any Apsergers behaviors interfere with the ability to learn? If so, what ones?
Learning what? Aspies tend to be slow in learning to interpret emotional signs and signals in others. It is part of the condition. Aspies tend to be good learning facts and logical principle. In that regard, being an Aspie is a gift, not a problem.
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Now, in contrast, does anyone think any Apsergers behaviors interfere with the ability to learn? If so, what ones?
For instance, I think the concept of herding interferes with a neurotypical learning because that's the reason teachers often say, "don't hesitate to ask any questions," and why people who do have questions refuse to raise their hand and ask. Now, that would only be a decent theory if Aspies were the type to ask questions in class more so than NT's.
It was in my case more that in areas which were my special interest, I took over the teacher's job; sometime finishing the sentences he started.
But generally I learned much more out formal education, even in jobs, when I needed to familiarize myself with a new subject. The set-up in a class or in teams never fit very well my learning pattern.
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More generally spoken: Modern education is to big extent better trailered to NT-needs. Team work and emotional learning seems to play a very important role. For the most NTs that's fine, but for an Aspie it much more a problem than the traditional frontal education.
Yeah, I have a pretty nasty habit of finishing other people's sentences. See the problem is that people assume I'm like five steps behind, but really, i am four steps ahead and I'm sick of turning the bus around for them. But just like we don't like our thoughts being interrupted, when we interrupt an NT whose speaking, we are also interrupting their thoughts too. So I try to stop that. I just don't always have the patience to wait on them to get to where I was cause I tend to lose where I am in the process. If the point of the subject is to get me to learn something, then I finish sentences because the teacher isn't learning, I am. But if it is something where I'm trying to explain something to get someone else to understand someone, perhaps say I'm the teacher talking to the student, then I let the other person take their good old time figuring out what they are saying. But it does still come across as rude. But I figure now I'm in college, and I pay good money to have the right to interrupt my teacher and finish that sentence for them. But only one on one. I try not to interrupt other people's learning. I start writing a to do list, balance the checkbook, send text messages, etc. while I wait in a classroom setting for everyone to catch up to where I am at. Rude or not, I'm just trying to stay awake and somewhat alert so that when they do hit something I have yet to learn or understand, I don't miss it because I was busy snoring.
i think the distinction between school and learning is a significant one.
Some autistics find their mode of being fits easily with an academic system.
Others of us learn and self-educate without the societal approval or kudos.
which is more valid?
(i know which is more valued.)